Religion/Spirituality Atheism Discussion

[Fervid]

Every human being has a religion...

What is love...? That's not SCIENCE...Love doesn't exist biologically...But it's funny how "love" is not attacked everyday and banned, considering that there is NO scientific proof that exists...

(1) We have physical attraction which can lead to lust...There is scientific evidence of this...You know it exists when a woman's nipples get hard and her vagina gets wet, and a man's penis gets hard...

(2) We have emotional attachment that comes from just living and existing with somebody...\some people who were kidnapped become attached to the kidnapper, some people go to jail and become attached to the environment...They even fall "in love" even though they never though of themselves as being gay...

So, what is love exactly, and where is the SCIENTIFIC proof that exists...?

Can you OBJECTIVELY prove that love exists...?

^^^ Nevermind. You're a fukking idiot.

 

[360crazy]

I was forced to attend funerals as a child. Now that I am an adult, I will never attend such superstitious filth in my life. I don't mourn over death. Death is natural and every living thing eventually experiences it. That person isn't even there to even know a funeral is going on. IMO there is no benefit or true purpose to it. Just sheep following another tradition blindly.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

Not all ceremonies are religious brehs, I said it once and I'll said again, bodies were being disposed of/buried before religions.I'm sure some religious people think atheists/agnostics would rather have the cadavers lying around

There is NEVER a time in the recorded history of humanity when religion did not exist...

From all the recorded history we have, all people had a form of religion...That's what makes us human...Other animals don't have religion...

If you say you don't have a religion, then I expect you to live like a non-human animal...With no boundaries...

I expect you to express yourself freely and completely...

 

[mbewane]

There is NEVER a time in the recorded history of humanity when religion did not exist...

From all the recorded history we have, all people had a form of religion...That's what makes us human...Other animals don't have religion...

If you say you don't have a religion, then I expect you to live like a non-human animal...With no boundaries...

I expect you to express yourself freely and completely...

Breh we've had this "all humans are religious otherwise they're not humans" bs posts for the longest...we don't believe you

 

[nineteeneightysix]

I was forced to attend funerals as a child. Now that I am an adult, I will never attend such superstitious filth in my life. I don't mourn over death. Death is natural and every living thing eventually experiences it. That person isn't even there to even know a funeral is going on. IMO there is no benefit or true purpose to it. Just sheep following another tradition blindly.

Now this is a TRUE non-religious reply...

In fact, as soon as you hear your loved one died, you STOP thinking of them as a human being...Because they are NOT human any more...They are not in a better or worse place, there are no "souls", so memorials and cemeteries are just a WASTE of space we could be using for housing and business centres...

 

[nineteeneightysix]

Breh we've had this "all humans are religious otherwise they're not humans" bs posts for the longest...we don't believe you

The only belief that matters in MY belief...

No offence...I am just here for myself...I am just looking for a good discussion with other intellectuals...

You don't need to have that second grade "nah nah nah" attitude...Maybe you don't, but that's the message I got from your reply...It's hard to tell without the body language...

Just read what I state, and pick-it-apart..If you don't care to exchange thoughts and perspectives, then why are you even participating...?

Back to the main theme of the thread,
Do you follow the constitution of the USA or whichever country you live in...? Are you a law abiding citizen...? Is the law based on scientific evidence...?

 

[mbewane]

The only belief that matters in MY belief...

No offence...I am just here for myself...I am just looking for a good discussion with other intellectuals...

You don't need to have that second grade "nah nah nah" attitude...Maybe you don't, but that's the message I got from your reply...It's hard to tell without the body language...

Just read what I state, and pick-it-apart..If you don't care to exchange thoughts and perspectives, then why are you even participating...?

Back to the main theme of the thread,
Do you follow the constitution of the USA or whichever country you live in...? Are you a law abiding citizen...? Is the law based on scientific evidence...?

Breh, I'm just playing with you because we've had these kind of "we are humans only thanks to God" discussions time and time again, and the end of the day it is most religious people just cannot conceive that yes, one can be a decent human being without religion, it's always the same counterarguments: "there has always been religion" (like anyone was there to record it at the very beginning) or "even if you don't know it, you're influenced by religion" (props for being condescending), "without religion we're animals" (and guess who's destroying the planet and all other animals. maybe it would be better if we WERE animals), etc.

Yes I'm a law abiding citizen, but no I don't need the law or religion to tell me that killing is wrong for example.

 

[the cac mamba]

if you honestly believed you were just another animal no different than a fly, then why would you "fight"....?

to stay the fukk alive

 

[tmonster]

The ones that I quoted in when I replied to your statements...

Every human being has a religion...That's what separates us from other animals...

I work as a physiotherapist in a hospitals and long term care facilities...I have seen staunch atheist still "fighting" even with terminal prognosis...And I ask myself, if you honestly believed you were just another animal no different than a fly, then why would you "fight"....?

If your family/friend is sick, and a doctor tells you there is a treatment that is effective only 25% of the time...You will accept that treatment because you have "faith" that your family/friend will be one of the 25% of the time that treatment works...

I made several in that post most of which seem self-evident anf trivial really
I am not sure which one you feel need scientific backing

 

[nineteeneightysix]

Breh, I'm just playing with you because we've had these kind of "we are humans only thanks to God" discussions time and time again

I looked at the dictionary definition of "religion." http://www.oxforddictionaries.com defines religion as "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods." If we are using this definition, then I wouldn't say that "every human being has a religion." However, I think this definition is very limited, because you have Jews who say they are atheists, but they still eat kosher...How can that be...?

There are many more examples, which are related to the reason why I asked you about the constitution

and the end of the day it is most religious people just cannot conceive that yes, one can be a decent human being without religion, it's always the same counterarguments:

To me, the highlighted statement is one of the reasons why I state that "every human being has a religion"...Where is this idea of being a "decent human being" coming from...?
As far as I know, science has yet to prove the existence of good and evil/right and wrong...If religion is simply "superstition" and science is "facts" and the two are mutually exclusive, then I really don't understand why any scientific individual would think along the lines of "decent human being"...

I really find this fascinating...Why can't atheists understand that this is very confusing or maybe many of us don't really know what atheism means...?
But I believe one thing for sure, NOTHING is ever black and white with humans...Everything seems to be on a continuum...

"there has always been religion" (like anyone was there to record it at the very beginning) or "even if you don't know it, you're influenced by religion" (props for being condescending), "without religion we're animals" (and guess who's destroying the planet and all other animals. maybe it would be better if we WERE animals), etc.

(1) As far as recorded human history, almost all humans had/have a religion...That's anthropology 101...I made sure that I included "recorded human history" in my initial post, because I was anticipating a reply such as the one highlighted above...

(2) We are influenced by religion...That's not a good or bad thing...It's just something that is...Humans are influenced by everything they are aware of...That's all it is...

(3) With or without religion, we are still animals...Humans are mammals like lions, monkeys, apes, and dolphins...This is true with or without religion...But one thing that is very unique to the human animal is religion/culture/tradition...For me, religion, culture and tradition are all the same thing, even though, www.oxforddictionaries.com may not agree...

(4) I personally believe it is IMPOSSIBLE for human beings to "destroy" the planet...We will destroy ourselves, before we destroy the planet...There are some other species that will go on just fine without humans around, and the Universe, really doesn't care about humanity...

Our "religion" makes us think we special because we humans and we can think, love and dream and blah blah...But the Universe really doesn't give a fcuk about all that...

Life will exist with or without human beings...

Yes I'm a law abiding citizen, but no I don't need the law or religion to tell me that killing is wrong for example.

I had an angle when posed those questions, but since I am going with www.oxforddictionaries.com definition of religion...I wont pursue that line of my reasoning...

However, I will say that, YES, you DO need the law to tell you that killing is "wrong"...The fact that you are even using the word "wrong" in that sentence is reason why I am making my statement...

There is nothing that is "right or wrong"/"good or evil" until somebody tells you that it is...

Do you believe that we are born with the knowledge of "right or wrong"/"good/evil"...?

We could conduct a VERY unethical scientific research to find out...But we already know from some psychological studies that we are at our MOST selfish and self-serving when we are very young, until we are taught about sharing, and working as a collective...

 

[nineteeneightysix]

to stay the fukk alive

hahahaha...

Dude, when a doctor tells you, you have six months to live, you could die within 3 days or you may last for couple of more years...But even if you do beat the odds, and last, believe me, you will have almost no quality of life...

But there is no "staying the fukk alive" in those situations...You will DIE and you will be dying very SOON...There is no hope, faith, science or whatever that is going to save you...

That extra time you will be fighting to have, will be spent in weakness, vomiting, shortness of breath (you wont be able to make it to the bathroom without feeling like you just ran a marathon) possibly pain, periods of confusion and all other forms of malaise and discomfort...

You will die...It's eminent...

A scientific person like me, would beg for euthanasia...I would imagine anybody who is really scientifically minded would do the same...

If it wasn't for religion, euthanasia would be legal...As it should be...At any point in life...

 

[Bud Bundy]

Sounds like RELIGION to me...

Do you have any SCIENTIFIC evidence that support your perspective...?

so only honor and love exist within the context of religion?



you have to explain that to me

 

[the cac mamba]

You will die...It's eminent...

A scientific person like me, would beg for euthanasia...I would imagine anybody who is really scientifically minded would do the same...
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breh i cant cosign this AT ALL

 

[NZA]

since atheists live in religious society's, chances are, a funeral is the only way an atheist is going to be able to honor the deceased and share in the mourning with the friends and family they care about. being a member of a community or family means you dont always get to dictate how things go. if you loved somebody enough to pay your respects, and they are having a funeral, you go to that funeral. simple as that.

 

[nineteeneightysix]

breh i cant cosign this AT ALL

(1) I will concede that the initial thought I posted was not a good argument against atheism...Because it alluded to the debate of any living organism's default programming to survive...

(2) However, the video you posted actually HIGHLIGHTS the argument that I am making and which you are refuting...Listen to the story Jimmy is telling...The German soldier wanted to stay alive "hoping for a some form of MIRACLE"....

In essence, RELIGION/MIRACLES was making that soldier fight and refuse to go silently into the goodnight...That is is EXACTLY what I was alluding to, even though, it is not a good example...

Some people still want to live even when SCIENCE tells them the end is close and it is going to be painful...

Religion (especially Abrahamic ones) tell us that life is precious NO MATTER the quality i.e. it is better to be sick and suffering than to be dead...

As a more scientifically oriented individual, I CANNOT accept that belief...Quality of life is important...In fact, it is more important than life itself...

If I was the German soldier, Jimmy was referring to, I would NOT kill myself, I wouldn't be able to, but if somebody offered to do it quickly, I would accept...Why? Because I am not hoping for a "miracle"...For me the miracle is euthanasia...

It is very interesting for me because I work in the hospital and I deal with death almost every day...This is what I have noticed about people, even those who claim to be atheists...

(1) Somebody commits suicide...A so called atheist family member is angry and says "that is so selfish"...You don't believe in souls and all that other jazz, then why would you feel so strongly about someone choosing to end their lives...? The only reason is your own selfish emotional needs...

(2) Elderly parent gets diagnosed with cancer, and they refuse treatment...Atheist children get angry with elderly parent, "mommy why don't you want to be treated, you can live another 5 years"...But what kind of 5 years are they going to be when you are weak all the time, puking to death, pissing and shytting on yourself, wearing a diaper and etc...

From this discussion, I am beginning to think that just because somebody says they are atheist, it doesn't mean that they are scientific...

I am definitely going to do more research on atheism...So far, my understanding of atheists has been "people who use science and reason", but this argument is showing me that is not necessarily the case...

Can one be atheist and not be scientific, but then what is that...?