ASAP Rocky - Industry plant?

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I think some people are confused by the vague definition of the term industry plant.
This is usually used to refer to someone who was made to seem as if they came through a natural grassroots movement, when in reality they were backed by a label the whole time.
The reason a label wouldn't want to reveal their involvement is because that would turn off fans to the artist. For example, Wiz Khalifa is often mentioned as a possible industry plant. The reason is because he was promoted as an artist that "went back to his roots after a failed relationship with a major" and through hard work and doing shows around the country he than gained many fans. By 2010 he released Kush & OJ independently to great critical praise and internet hype. Only after Kush & OJ did he "resign" with a major. This is the story we are told but many people believe that it's not true and he was signed to Atlantic the whole time.

So basically the people saying, "industry plant just sounds like good management to me" aren't necessarily correct.
No one hides the fact that they are being managed, promoted and so on. It's when you act as if you are doing it yourself, through independent means but in reality you are backed by a much "higher power". That's what people have a problem with.
That's part of the reason Odd Future is considered an industry plant by so many, because a large part of their gimmick originally was that they were very DIY.
Label or not, it still sounds like "good marketing"... They had to have some talent/decent music to get signed to the Major too, right?

It seems like the only people that would really care about someone being an "industry plant" would be other independent rappers trying to get on... To them, I say, tough break nikka, step your marketability up, and step your music up... Maybe the industry will "plant" you too :dead:
 

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If this is true how is ASAP rocky an industry plant? Wasn't he indie until he signed with Sony (around liveloveasap dropped)

Well I'm not saying that Rocky is or isn't a plant but the argument would be that he was in fact "secretly" signed the whole time. Probably since 2010, maybe even before that Get High video people put up.
 

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Label or not, it still sounds like "good marketing"... They had to have some talent/decent music to get signed to the Major too, right?

The only people that would really care about someone being an "industry plant" would be other independent rappers its seems... To them, I say, tough break nikka, step your marketability up, and step your music up... Maybe the industry will "plant" you too :dead:

A lot of people get signed just because they were at the right place at the right time and/or know the right people. The labels realize that with the right amount of money, as long as the person isn't a completely talentless lame they can promote anyone to the top. So they just sign their "friends" or friend's friends instead of actually looking for the best talent available.
I stress that I'm not arguing that this is true since I have no idea, just providing the opposing point of view to keep the topic going, as it's one I'm interested in.
 

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A lot of people get signed just because they were at the right place at the right time and/or know the right people. The labels realize that with the right amount of money, as long as the person isn't a completely talentless lame they can promote anyone to the top. So they just sign their "friends" or friend's friends instead of actually looking for the best talent available.
I stress that I'm not arguing that this is true since I have no idea, just providing the opposing point of view to keep the topic going, as it's one I'm interested in.

I can agree with this one. Ive seen it with my own eyes. And to be honest;, even tho Ive pretty much worked myself for all the years; I do know people so if God blesses me with a major opportunity soon; you will be saying the same thing about me....whether or not that be the case.
 

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lol. so asap rocky is having VMA moments already? how much more obvious can it be that hes an industry plant?

this is just like tyler the creator winning a vma last year while selling a total of 32 copies.

Lets not fight, me and you are brothers.

:krs:

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So basically, an industry plant is someone who has a good manager and knows how to market themselves without a major label.... Okay got it....

:wtf:

these plant rappers are already signed to major labels or at the very least, are in bed with the labels and have money behind them before they suddenly build up their fictitious underground buzz.

all this chit is fake man. its one big hoax with these rappers dont only get championed on blogs & forums. its one of the most well-crafted scams out right now.
 

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i never heard of asap rocky til a bunch of people posted up his Pe$o video, but it was weird because it seemed like everybody was anticipating it as if they've been listening to rocky for years.

it's the internet though, i don't think much ppl heard about guys like joey badass outside of the internet
 

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lol. so asap rocky is having VMA moments already? how much more obvious can it be that hes an industry plant?

this is just like tyler the creator winning a vma last year while selling a total of 32 copies.



:krs:

:cheers:



:wtf:

these plant rappers are already signed to major labels or at the very least, are in bed with the labels and have money behind them before they suddenly build up their fictitious underground buzz.

all this chit is fake man. its one big hoax with these rappers dont only get championed on blogs & forums. its one of the most well-crafted scams out right now.

So... they had to get signed though right? they had to do something to stand out in some way in order to get signed or receive attention from the labels... Like I said, the only people who I could see being upset about this would be unsigned rappers... Tough break though... do something to gain attention and get yourself signed so you can be "planted" aka marketed intelligently with a push by the industry:manny:
 

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So... they had to get signed though right? they had to do something to stand out in some way in order to get signed or receive attention from the labels... Like I said, the only people who I could see being upset about this would be unsigned rappers... Tough break though... do something to gain attention and get yourself signed so you can be "planted" aka marketed intelligently with a push by the industry:manny:

fans would be upset for 2 reasons
1. They aren't actually getting the best talent available

2. They thought they were supporting a legit DIY movement, when in reality it was an orchestrated "scam"
 

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A lot of people get signed just because they were at the right place at the right time and/or know the right people. The labels realize that with the right amount of money, as long as the person isn't a completely talentless lame they can promote anyone to the top. So they just sign their "friends" or friend's friends instead of actually looking for the best talent available.
I stress that I'm not arguing that this is true since I have no idea, just providing the opposing point of view to keep the topic going, as it's one I'm interested in.

Im not trying to disprove your opinion flame you with combativeness... Everything you're saying sounds very very viable... My whole thing is... Soooo what?:manny:

This happens in pretty much every area of business, life, etc...

Some people make it, and some people don't...

If Money and connections mattered that heavily these guys would probably be in ASAP's position right now...

"Rich Hil" son of Tommy Hilfiger...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9w97RpToI"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9w97RpToI[/ame]

"Chet Haze" son of Tom Hanks...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fJGpdLEXIs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fJGpdLEXIs[/ame]

The thing is, you gotta have SOMETHING else... Odd future, ASAP, Drake, all these people have that SOMETHING else that you need to properly be marketed as a brand/product...
 

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You are correct, it is what it is. It's still unfair and crappy (if true)
Not only for the rappers but for the fans as well.
 
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