As nice as Cordae is, I can't get into his music

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Suburban rap works but hip hop is about extremes. The suburbs is about maintenance and consistency.

What Drake has done is burbs shyt while feeding the masses with what they care about most. Luxury, hoes, fukking hoes, getting hoes, relationships, how hard they are, and doing a non hard drug or drinking to get your mind off the stress.

Most burb rappers are too focus on skill, talent, and passion but this ain't sports. Hip hop is about a connection.
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Drake is basically giving people what they want but didn't know how to ask for it from gangsta rap. People dont really WANT gangsta rap like that. Cause it starts to conflict with who you are and who you want to be. Drake is basically Kanye that doesn't produce...and he's a way better song writer. Kanye didn't ever evolve past his initial rapping ability so even when he does it today it feels nostalgic, not evolutionary. Thats why Kanye is doing more harmonizing attempts but it falls flat so he just builds up the instrumentals and other sonic elements to create "song moments"...but its hard for me to call what Kanye is doing lately "music". Thats why he's gotta have all those artists on the songs, to inflate what you're actually sitting through. Drake is making legit ANTHEMS right now...solo.

People give me hell for J Cole...but I grew up on rap in the mid 90s to today. I know what rappers are TECHNICALLY capable of. Thats why damn near every mainstream artist LIKES Drake. Its fans and gatekeepers who think Drake doesn't belong because they themselves are just consumers, not actual assessors of skill.
 
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∴ L'esprit de l'escalier said:
Drake is basically giving people what they want but didn't know how to ask for it from gangsta rap. People dont really WANT gangsta rap like that. Cause it starts to conflict with who you are and who you want to be. Drake is basically Kanye that doesn't produce...and he's a way better song writer. Kanye didn't ever evolve past his initial rapping ability so even when he does it today it feels nostalgic, not evolutionary. Thats why Kanye is doing more harmonizing attempts but it falls flat so he just builds up the instrumentals and other sonic elements to create "song moments"...but its hard for me to call what Kanye is doing lately "music". Thats why he's gotta have all those artists on the songs, to inflate what you're actually sitting through. Drake is making legit ANTHEMS right now...solo.

People give me hell for J Cole...but I grew up on rap in the mid 90s to today. I know what rappers are TECHNICALLY capable of. Thats why damn near every mainstream artist LIKES Drake. Its fans and gatekeepers who think Drake doesn't belong because they themselves are just consumers, not actual assessors of skill.
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Kanye is NOT a suburban rapper. He's a backpack rapper that's extremely versatile. His versatility separates him from Common, Lupe, Cudi, but most similar to him is Travis Scott although Scott lacks the clarity of sound that West has.

Drake was trying to be a backpack rapper when he came out. He even tried to copy rugged backpack rappers like Clipse but he failed at it. Then he tried to be a lover and failed at that. His sound that worked was the suburban cat talking about his wins, struggles, and everyday life. Once those mixtapes hit and singles like Best I've ever had hit, Drake was on the fast lane to success. The reason why Drake is still elite is like we said, he's a suburban rapper, the key for many is maintenance and consistency. That's why he's lasted so long but Drake understands something critical, you gotta connect with the people. Gotta stay in tune and make adjustments. Most rappers suck ass at this shyt which is why they last for 3-5 years at max.

I would never say Drake is a better songwriter than Ye. Ye like all backpackers love doing their own thing. Drake like suburban rappers loves doing what they think works.

Cole is extremely versatile but he leans backpack far more than suburbs. A lot of rappers in that era do. Kendrick, Wale, etc.

A lot of these new rappers are suburban rappers.
 
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Kanye is NOT a suburban rapper. He's a backpack rapper that's extremely versatile. His versatility separates him from Common, Lupe, Cudi, but most similar to him is Travis Scott although Scott lacks the clarity of sound that West has.

Drake was trying to be a backpack rapper when he came out. He even tried to copy rugged backpack rappers like Clipse but he failed at it. Then he tried to be a lover and failed at that. His sound that worked was the suburban cat talking about his wins, struggles, and everyday life. Once those mixtapes hit and singles like Best I've ever had hit, Drake was on the fast lane to success. The reason why Drake is still elite is like we said, he's a suburban rapper, the key for many is maintenance and consistency. That's why he's lasted so long but Drake understands something critical, you gotta connect with the people. Gotta stay in tune and make adjustments. Most rappers suck ass at this shyt which is why they last for 3-5 years at max.

I would never say Drake is a better songwriter than Ye. Ye like all backpackers love doing their own thing. Drake like suburban rappers loves doing what they think works.

Cole is extremely versatile but he leans backpack far more than suburbs. A lot of rappers in that era do. Kendrick, Wale, etc.

A lot of these new rappers are suburban rappers.
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Cole just isn't a great artists. He's an OK artist.

Kanye is a suburban rapper bro. I know he's from Chicago, proper, but he grew up basically indistinguishably from most suburb rappers. He's closer to Chance the Rapper than most realize but that haze of the 90s and early 2000s forced you into that Common/Slum Village/Soulquarian movement. He obscures a lot of his actual history for the sake of creating the narrative.
 
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Some people prefer their rappers to look like they can potentially harm you or look like they used to smoke weed with their mama

fukk yo talent
Do you bust yo gun

what that hood pedigree looking like
 
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Amestafuu (Emeritus) said:
how?

never heard Cordae played on repeat anywhere. he's recognized not forced

there's no longer artist development and rappers learn on the job. Cordae has the same rough things about him Cole did. Cole took a long ass time to make decent albums. Like Cordae he can kill features and verses but had to develop better bodies of work. these dudes don't lack a story they just don't have a contrived one that appeals to the values people have come to look for in rap... how real you are, went thru a struggle, feared/respected where you come from etc etc.

if you wanna be discounted and hated in rap the worst thing you can be is a regular ass person.
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What's the issue with that though?
 
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∴ L'esprit de l'escalier said:
unique...at what?

If anything, going to college ruined his ability to rap about shyt people care about.

Talib BARELY pulls it off.
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As opposed to everyone else getting it out the mud trapping in a big city and now they’re riding in a foreign, fukking your bytch and putting hits on the opp?
 
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It's not really the same thing anymore. None of these newer rappers are going to make albums like Paid in Full or Strictly Business when they're in college. The pressure isn't there for them like it was with the older rappers, who had to evolve quicker at a younger age in order to survive.

Kendrick released GKMC when he was 25, Drake released Take Care when he was 25, Cole released FHD when he was 29. We're at a point now where the maturity and life experience needed to make really good albums isn't going to come until later.
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I feel that 100% I only tapped occasionally but I know when. I first started at 20 I had a hard time putting stuff together besides talking about weed and wanting lightskin bytches. Now that I'm 26 it feels much easier putting my words and intentions together, and I feel like overall I know so many more words period to play with. And also how things go down in other places and stand out locations (aha, a good line popping out of nowhere, my point proven)
 
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Amestafuu (Emeritus) said:
how?

never heard Cordae played on repeat anywhere. he's recognized not forced

there's no longer artist development and rappers learn on the job. Cordae has the same rough things about him Cole did. Cole took a long ass time to make decent albums. Like Cordae he can kill features and verses but had to develop better bodies of work. these dudes don't lack a story they just don't have a contrived one that appeals to the values people have come to look for in rap... how real you are, went thru a struggle, feared/respected where you come from etc etc.

if you wanna be discounted and hated in rap the worst thing you can be is a regular ass person.
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Ehh, De la and tribe exist. But I definitely understand and recognise this point
 
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