As a white man, what can I do to help stop black inequality?

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Speak for yourself, you don't speak for all black people, you are just one misinformed black dude who is arrogant.

All you wanna do is cherry pick bad shyt people who were white did in history, while ignoring everything good white people did, and ignore everything bad black people did. You have no sense of objective reality at all, you believe what you want to believe despite all evidence. Anyone with basic critical thinking skills is not going to listen to a word you say.

Europeans are the reason you enjoy a high standard of living. What do you think Africans invented electricity? They still don't have electricity in most of Africa. Which begs the question, if the white man is so bad, why dont you go move to the Utopia of Africa? Oh thats right, you couldn't go one day without electricity.

War was common among all races. Don't get mad at the white man for winning wars, your people fought in wars too, they just lost. Try looking at a map during any time in history, then look at a map a century later. It's completely different. Why? Because of wars. Notice you had no answer to "you really dont think there was war, genocide, slavery, in africa?" because you know the answer.

:mjlol: and there u have it, your true feelings comes to the light after a little pressure is applied. And IMO that's the best thing you and your ilk could do is be your true self and not some facetious benevolent great white savior that you really are not. That way we will know who exactly we are dealing with and we as a people can act accordingly.
 
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:mjlol: and there u have it, your true feelings comes to the light after a little pressure. And IMO that's the best thing you and your ilk could do is be your true self and not some facetious benevolent great white savior that you really are not. That way we will know who exactly we are dealing with and we as a people can act accordingly.

That's why I didn't even waste my time, a whole lot of whitesplaining. He's so transparent.
 

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"What we want is to not turn on the TV, see a nikka getting shot in the back, and then having to go on Facebook and see a dead man's name and dignity dragged through the mud because most white Americans can't possibly side against a blue-eyed hero against a black skinned villain."

Let's talk about specific cases, cuz this is statement is way too vague. I don't see how you expect white people to side with Trayvon. I see how you expect white people to side with the black guy that was actually shot in the back on phone video (cant remember his name), and honestly they have. My problem is you lumping these two types of cases together, where there is definitely a question of whether self defense was warranted, to another case where its obvious it wasn't. So while white people are against police brutality, sometimes you try to say police brutality exists where it doesn't, and if they disagree with that you call them racist and insinuate they are for black people getting shot in the back...

It's hard for me to tell who is right, I think both sides have liars and truth tellers, cops and poor black people. I don't think its the case that the police force is a white superiority organization in disguise. I also don't think that they are perfect and not significantly racist in many cities (IE baltimore). MY problem is you make everything black and white. Any time someone black dies from a cop, he HAD to be innocent, it couldn't possibly have been self defense! Like all the people marching before any of the evidence comes out in the Mike Brown trial etc.


"acknowledging that there is a systematic difference between the way that the races are treated"

I acknowledge that. I just don't agree with your conclusion that this justifies treating white's as guilty of something that happened long before they were even breathing.

"e just want the same exact respect when you look in our eyes (as men) that you give another white man."


You only get respect where you give it. Thats all white people want to, the vis-versa, for black peope to stop treating them any differently than they would another black guy, but tbh its black people who are far more hesitant to respect someone of a different race in this way than white people are.Do you ever hear white people saying 'stop taking our culture', when black people play video games? Have you ever heard black people say that about hip hop?

I do show this kind of respect, and most of the time I get it back from blacks, but definitely NOT on this site. Yall hate me cuz im white, solely because im white.

"the same wages, educational opportunities, and most importantly JUSTICE" the problem is this will never happen as long as people are just competing on different race teams. blacks will try to use the government to fukk over whites. whites will do the same to blacks.I think the only solution is to have a color blind government that helps people based on their poverty level, and has no way of knowing their skin color, IE Ron Paul's platform.


I respect your answers. Again, I was never attacking you directly. I'll try to address these with counter-points respectfully as well:

I never said that white people should all side with Trayvon. However, I feel like the majority of "white response" is either: A - discredit the black side IF there is a vague case ie Trayvon and Mike Brown OR B - be completely mum and silent on the topic if it's not vague ie the South Carolina case. I can't tell you the amount of people defending Zimmerman that were completely quiet about the guy who got shot in the back. It seems like a lot of people (not you maybe) have an issue standing up for black people when there are clear injustices, but have no issue standing up for white people when there are murky and unclear situations.

re: systemic response
I never said that today's white's are guilty. You asked in your OP what can you do as a white person so I was telling you. Acknowledging that black people still have to deal with issues from slavery etc. is something that you can do. I didn't mean anything attacking about it, just something to consider.

re: culture appropriation
Video games aren't "white culture" the same way that hip hop is black culture. Video games are internationally acclaimed and no race can lay claim on them. If we were being honest, I think it's Japan that has pioneered more in Video gaming than any other country. Comparing video games to hip hop is completely different considering hip hop was started as distinctly African American in African American communities. There was never a time where the same exclusivity was applied to video games
AND, along the same thought, Hip Hop is pretty inclusive. There are white rappers (GREAT ones) Puerto Rican, female, midget (bushwick bill) etc. When I mentioned respect I 100% agree with you that it should be given and earned. All I was saying is that a lot (maybe not you again) of white people do not give us the respect that they give other white people and there is no real reason other than skin color. I'm not asking anyone to bow at anyone's feet. But, from my perspective, black people as a whole are widely more accepting than white people. Go online and you can see videos of an old white man doing all of the latest dances in an all black party and everyone is cheering them on. A lot of the time when you see black people around all white people the reception is not the same.

re: same wages
I don't know what you mean by "blacks and whites use the government to fukk over each other". I know there is welfare abuse from both races but I don't understand how you equate it to either race trying to fukk over the other. I do agree there needs to be welfare reform in the country and that isn't a black or white race thing. It should be tied to drug use, need, ability to work, etc.

Again, hopefully none of what I typed comes off as attacking you, but I think we still disagree on some things. The main thing that you can do as a white person (back to your OP) is to just respect other people (not saying you don't) and be mindful of how you treat them, the same way that ALL people should be. It just so happens that we both live in a country where this isn't always the norm.
 

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:mjlol: and there u have it, your true feelings comes to the light after a little pressure is applied. And IMO that's the best thing you and your ilk could do is be your true self and not some facetious benevolent great white savior that you really are not. That way we will know who exactly we are dealing with and we as a people can act accordingly.

True feelings about what? you think because I accurately point out that white people invented electricity that I am a racist? lol

Don't think because i'm pointing out accurate historical facts that you are too sensitive to take into account, that i'm somehow a hateful person. I understand hearing 'go back to africa' is offensive, but that's not what I said, I said you are ignoring everything good white people ever did for you, and electricity is a perfect example of that. It's not my fault you are so overly-sensitive to any mention of 'going back to africa if you dont like it' that you couldn't take a simple hypothetical example of a good thing white people did for blacks, for what it was, and tried to insinuate im a racist.

weak shyt
 

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That's why I didn't even waste my time, a whole lot of whitesplaining. He's so transparent.

nah, you are just arrogant and you get butthurt any time someone has a different opinion about racial reality than you that you can't debate with facts so you call it 'whitesplaining'

you actually think you know me because of my opinions on a handful of political issues, lol, you are so close-minded its amazing
 

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nah, you are just arrogant and you get butthurt any time someone has a different opinion about racial reality than you that you can't debate with facts so you call it 'whitesplaining'

you actually think you know me because of my opinions on a handful of political issues, lol, you are so close-minded its amazing

Not butthurt, haven't swore, haven't called you a name.
 

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I respect your answers. Again, I was never attacking you directly. I'll try to address these with counter-points respectfully as well:

I never said that white people should all side with Trayvon. However, I feel like the majority of "white response" is either: A - discredit the black side IF there is a vague case ie Trayvon and Mike Brown OR B - be completely mum and silent on the topic if it's not vague ie the South Carolina case. I can't tell you the amount of people defending Zimmerman that were completely quiet about the guy who got shot in the back. It seems like a lot of people (not you maybe) have an issue standing up for black people when there are clear injustices, but have no issue standing up for white people when there are murky and unclear situations.

sure, thats natural and it goes both ways. as i said, black people were standing up for black people in murky situations, and to be honest, its not often at all that you hear black people even being concerned with any all-white tragedies. People on this site think of them as a blessing. you dont see people openly cheering the death of black people ANYWHERE like you see black people cheering the deaths of white on this site.

re: culture appropriation
Video games aren't "white culture" the same way that hip hop is black culture. Video games are internationally acclaimed and no race can lay claim on them. If we were being honest, I think it's Japan that has pioneered more in Video gaming than any other country. Comparing video games to hip hop is completely different considering hip hop was started as distinctly African American in African American communities. There was never a time where the same exclusivity was applied to video games

thats bogus dude, its the same thing, if anything video games were more exclusively belonging to one or two races. video games have predominantly been played by asians and whites, especially in the beginning, and were created by asians and whites. You couldn't name a black video game programmer in those days, you can name plenty of white hip hop acts since the beginning. Hip hop was made predominantly by blacks, and created by blacks (latinos and others too). Black people have a unique hypocrisy where they think they can take anything they want from any other culture, then get mad at people for taking theirs.

But, from my perspective, black people as a whole are widely more accepting than white people. Go online and you can see videos of an old white man doing all of the latest dances in an all black party and everyone is cheering them on. A lot of the time when you see black people around all white people the reception is not the same.
you can also find videos of black people beating innocent white people for being white. online videos are anecdotal evidence that doesn't mean anything. from your perspective that might be true, but black on white violence is like 4x higher than vis versa, these are just the facts.

re: same wages
I don't know what you mean by "blacks and whites use the government to fukk over each other". I know there is welfare abuse from both races but I don't understand how you equate it to either race trying to fukk over the other. I do agree there needs to be welfare reform in the country and that isn't a black or white race thing. It should be tied to drug use, need, ability to work, etc.

because all the republican and democrat power struggle breaks down to is who gets the crony capitalist deals. Who gets to lobby the government. will it be the white crony-capitalist private sector, or the minority public sector? This will always lead to inequalities among one group or the other, when everything is treated as a zero sum game.
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Not butthurt, haven't swore, haven't called you a name.
cool you arent butthurt
you are close-minded though.

look at you, you tried to discredit me based on "my comment history" and you cant even identify a single post that supposedly discredits me.
 

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cool you arent butthurt
you are close-minded though.

look at you, you tried to discredit me based on "my comment history" and you cant even identify a single post that supposedly discredits me.

I'm familiar with you're posts and I've negged you quite a few times. Even if I was to post some of your posts, you'd attempt to whitesplain those too. I don't have time for that and I'm glad other posters are hip to it too.
 

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Right? Imagine if a few politicians asked this question and the town hall erupted into something like this. fukking embarrassing. Folks just want to complain but when it comes time for actual dialogue they weren't even thinking of anything.

Black folks sit around waiting for cacs to be proactive because they're useless and lack the ability to organize. Then when a few folks like Tim Wise try to come in and help, they're skeptical, not knowing that without cac assistance, nothing in the country will change. White folks were very very smart to know that they couldnt take over america without the assistance of native americans. There were no instances where europeans went to native lands and didn't use the native for assistance. Meanwhile black folks magically refuse this age old method proven to work time and time again.

There's a couple of things i want to address with the bolded. First I think we are all glad you went "renegade" with the mentality black people are useless. No room for dead weight.

Second black people have shown that we Don't need cac assistance to build up communities and movements but white people have demonstrated over the years that black independence scares them and they have this sense that it will threaten their way of life, thus have taken measures to prevent that at all cost. For reference look at the garvey, black panther movementss and black wall street as examples. With that said fukk assistance, all we need is true equality, justice and any other inalienable rights afforded to people who are born here. Then watch our people flourish. Black people have been here as long as white people and we are still talking about equality in 2015?? Dont confuse assitance with equal rights.

And lastly just for clarification purposes, tell me are you really using European interactions with Native Americans as a guide on how black people should deal with race relations in this country? How are you going to disregard the fact that their goal was to kill, conquer, and reap the benefits from ill gotten gains while our aim was to just live and thrive without a boot on our necks after emancipation. So of course our methods were goin to be different we weren't trying to as you say "take over"
 
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