Are We Willing To Admit That Backpack/Conscious/Alternative Rappers Are Graded On A Curve?

[Wacky D]

Because



And the bold is some terrible lyingNothing happened to rick ross after he was exposed, nothing happened to TI after "snitchin", nothing happened to wayne soulja boy or chris brown for being pretend bloods.

Future admitted he doesn't do the drugs he raps about which would make him a liar either inside or outside his music. yet nobody's opinion will change


But if you wanna rap about pyramids, consciousness or skateboards we're gonna need to see your report card, a background check and a brown paper bag test on your girlfriend

rick ross has been a target ever since.
T.I. never lived down the snitchin accusations. besides, most of his audience from back then, had already started moving on beforehand.
chris brown isn't a rapper.
souljah boy? really breh?
I don't think a lot of people know about that future interview. besides, I doubt that most people who are overly-enthused by druggie raps, are in the best state of mind to begin with.

 

[Wacky D]

you my dawg and all....


but what the hell are you on about!?

There really ARENT too many "conscious/backpacker" records that are lauded as 5 mic classics.

For one, like everything else.... shyt is subjective. nikkas call it "classic" don't mean you got to like it or even consider it a classic

For two, how many "modern" classic backpacker/social conscious albums we really got? Does "backpacker" mean it's not mainstream and talking about selling drugs, fukking hoes and hanging out at the club?

Black on Both Sides.....

What else?

Midnight Marauders, maybe?
ATLiens, possibly?
Soul Food?
Kendrick's first two albums, possibly?


Straight Backpacker you might have .... what, MadVillainy?

You can't claim shyt is "overrated" just because you don't like it.

Hell, it's some gay nikkas on this board. They SWEAR p*ssy is overrated.

Does that make women/p*ssy overrated to you, cause THEY don't like it?

@ the bolded.

I listed more than just backpack. I mentioned conscious or "conscious" and alternative rap.

and youre fueling my point. I never heard madvillainy but the rest of those albums are overrated as hell, minus midnight marauders - altho. midnight is more beloved as a classic now, than it was in real-time.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Mos def at his peak is one of the best rappers I've ever heard in my life. Storytelling ability lyricism he was funny etc. It's hard to explain because he didn't really use big words but he said shyt in such a slick way all the time.

The problem with him is after BOBS he stopped giving a shyt about being a rapper went to Hollywood and has been living of that reputation for almost 20 years despite only having about 10 good songs since the Clinton adminstration

 

[spliz]

when they get 5, its often times a 3.5 or 4. look at outkast aquemini. look at Kendrick lamar & Kanye west.

it doesn't necessarily have to be a 5. its about getting high marks period, and/or being passed off as a classic - see mos def's "black on both sides".

you bring up street rappers, but dudes in the streets are by far the toughest critics.

Damn sure ain't at the bolded. Lol. nikkas in the streets be buggin sometimes. Lol. And Aquemini isn't what I would call a conscious album and the album is solid. Its easily a highly rated album. It's some people's favorite Outkast album. Kanye West's highest rated album is prolly his LEAST conscious. And is driven by hype more than anything. And Kendrick is graded on the new artist shytty era curve. It's also who he's affiliated with. If someone else made that same album it wouldn't have had as much critical acclaim. Look at Tetsuo and Youth. Many of the listeners feel it's better. But it got nowhere near the same public reception or acclaim. And it's just as conscious if not more. It's also better crafted from a lyrical and conceptual standpoint.

 

[Kenny West]

OK the jig is up. Let's stop beating around the bush here, this thread is just another thinly veiled "Kendrick is overrated" thread. Yall are not slick

rick ross has been a target ever since.
T.I. never lived down the snitchin accusations. besides, most of his audience from back then, had already started moving on beforehand.
chris brown isn't a rapper.
souljah boy? really breh?
I don't think a lot of people know about that future interview. besides, I doubt that most people who are overly-enthused by druggie raps, are in the best state of mind to begin with.

Rick Ross is a target of what? Outside of shytting on Jeezy he aint beef with nobody since 50And TI had his most successful album ever after the snitching allegations.

Even if you weren't wrong as fukk these schematics really doesn't disprove my overall point at all.

I don't see a migos album being considered an instant classic and being instantly ranked in magazines & blogs as an all-time classic, like they do for Kendrick.

What if the difference between those two albums were........ the quality of music? I mean it would make more sense than to insinuate that the album was praised that highly off GP just for being conscious.

Even a retard can see that every other recent conscious release isn't benefiting from any sort curve



Everybody by Logic 62 on metacritic

The Album About Nothing by Wale 67

Do What Thou Wilt. by Ab-Soul 64

Drogas Light by Lupe Fiasco 56


b-b-but graded on a curve! You just wanted to make a Kendrick hate thread lowkey

 

[Palm Tree's & Blunts]

E40 classic album is in a major way imo. Care less about a mic rating or what some magazine said shyt is classic to me.

 

[Larry Lambo]

I really like Black on Both Sides but I could understand someone that doesn't believe it's a classic.

IMO, it doesn't hold up to OB4CL, Outkast's first 3 albums, Ready to Die, Reasonable Doubt, Illmatic, Blueprint, The Chronic, Doggystyle, etc.

To me it's on the level of a TM101 or an Ironman, but obviously a different category of rap. Classic in certain circles, but not a consensus classic.

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

It's the other way around

If you rap about drugs and pose with guns in your music you can do the following and not be considered a wack:

- Have no identifying content in your music. You can make songs about nothing your entire career if you pose with guns in the video. Meanwhile a conscious rapper needs "the hit song" "the uplifting song" "the storytelling track" "the song for the ladies" etc.
- Copying styles from other rappers
- Get no critical acclaim
- Have 0 social consciousness
- You can be a proud uncle tom and nikkas won't dare think less of your for it

- Lying on your past
- You don't have to enunciate (mumble rap)
- Your fans don't have to understand what the hell you're saying
- Don't have to even rhyme your lyrics (Future)
- Never battle on wax only subliminal or twitter.
- Go an entire career with no quoteables (future and his rap children)
- Have no versatility

This.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

yea but you completely missed the correlation and flew off the handle.

I missed nothing. I didnt agree with that bullshyt and pointed that out.
You think how you think cause you're one of THEM.

 

[altruicsense]

I was with you until you used black on both sides as the example... that album is one of those backpack albums that is mainstream acclaimed

 

[Blackout]

It's the other way around

If you rap about drugs and pose with guns in your music you can do the following and not be considered a wack:

- Have no identifying content in your music. You can make songs about nothing your entire career if you pose with guns in the video. Meanwhile a conscious rapper needs "the hit song" "the uplifting song" "the storytelling track" "the song for the ladies" etc.
- Copying styles from other rappers
- Get no critical acclaim
- Have 0 social consciousness
- You can be a proud uncle tom and nikkas won't dare think less of your for it

- Lying on your past
- You don't have to enunciate (mumble rap)
- Your fans don't have to understand what the hell you're saying
- Don't have to even rhyme your lyrics (Future)
- Never battle on wax only subliminal or twitter.
- Go an entire career with no quoteables (future and his rap children)
- Have no versatility

Wut he said

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

I really like Black on Both Sides but I could understand someone that doesn't believe it's a classic.

IMO, it doesn't hold up to OB4CL, Outkast's first 3 albums, Ready to Die, Reasonable Doubt (dope but flopped), Illmatic, Blueprint, The Chronic, Doggystyle, etc.

To me it's on the level of a TM101 or an Ironman, but obviously a different category of rap. Classic in certain circles, but not a consensus classic.

@Wacky D , YOU AND POSTERS LIKE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Are two of THEM.
Look at the weaker east coast albums that meant very lil on a nationwide scale while they were out getting threw in with albums
That actually meant something.
On what planet was illmatic or OB4CL on the chronic or doggystyle's level?

On what planet was ironman popping like TM101?
LMFAO

nikkas delusional

 

[Mr. Negative]

@ the bolded.

I listed more than just backpack. I mentioned conscious or "conscious" and alternative rap.

and youre fueling my point. I never heard madvillainy but the rest of those albums are overrated as hell, minus midnight marauders - altho. midnight is more beloved as a classic now, than it was in real-time.

1. ATLiens, Soul Food and Kendrick's albums are "conscious", breh

2. There are really NO universally lauded alternative rap albums. You're talking like Jedi Mind Tricks or Immortal Technique or something? Give us some examples.

3. All those albums I listed are damn near universally accepted as classic albums.... but the only one you like is Midnight Marauders. That doesn't mean those albums are "overrated", it means YOU don't like those albums.


It's like I was saying the LAST time we threw some posts at each other:

anyway, never was a fan of The Chronic, and All Eyez on Me is, in my opinion, pac's third weakest album, only being slightly better than Strictly 4 My nikkaz


Edit: You'll NEVER hear me say these albums aren't CLASSIC albums, cause they are. I'm just not a fan of the albums.

STICK TO YA GUNZ

if you don't think highly of an album, then its not a classic to you.

The definition and means of classification by which an album is deemed "classic" by the culture at large doesn't revolve around my opinion of said album, breh.


If the opinion of one person feeling that something "wasn't quite perfect" or "straight up garbage" stopped an album from being a classic, there would be no classic albums.

the media coaches people into calling most of these albums classics, whether they deserve the title or not.
theres albums that weren't even poppin like that, but the media has people automatically putting them in the goat bracket.

like I said, if you feel an album isn't a classic, then standup and say it.

I disagree with the albums you listed. I think the chronic is arguably the goat.
I think AEOM is a classic as well, but when I see people saying otherwise, I don't even argue. cuz at the end of the day, its a double album with filler. it certainly had classic impact but that doesn't necessarily mean its a classic album. i'd vote for it as a classic tho.

and here we are again.

Just because YOU don't like an album doesn't mean it's overrated. It means that YOU don't like the album.

It doesn't mean reviewers are giving nobody no passes, shyt isn't rated on a curve. shyt ain't special cause it's "smart".

I think Talib Kweli's "EarDrum" album is a classic album. Does that mean it is by ANYONE's standards except mines? NO.

I think Kendrick's LAST two albums are anywhere from average to unlistenable. Does that mean those albums prolly wont be called classic albums? NO


Imagine I made a thread talking bout "The Chronic Isn't A Classic Album! Here's Why!"

nikkas go in the thread and all I posted in OP was "Cause I don't like it".

It's like 12 Booth posters that would neg me to bolivia if I did that shyt. nikkas would disown me.

Cause really.... when you make threads like that?

Like this one?

You should REALLY start the thread title off "In My Honest Opinion...." and hope some posters agree with you, cause it's REALLY just your opinion based on personal taste.

 

[Larry Lambo]

@Wacky D , YOU AND POSTERS LIKE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Are two of THEM.
Look at the weaker east coast albums that meant very lil on a nationwide scale while they were out getting threw in with albums
That actually meant something.
On what planet was illmatic or OB4CL on the chronic or doggystyle's level?

On what planet was ironman popping like TM101?
LMFAO

nikkas delusional

Are we talking popularity of quality of the music?

I'm talking more on the perceived quality of the music.

Illmatic didn't take over the game in 94, and RD didn't take over the game in 96, but in terms of how good the albums were and how much play they get years later

As far TM101, yes it was more popular than Ironman, but musically was it better? Of course this is my opinion, but to me they are on par.

If you're speaking popularity, we might as well just say the only classics are albums that went triple plat or better.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Are we talking popularity of quality of the music?

I'm talking more on the perceived quality of the music.

Illmatic didn't take over the game in 94, and RD didn't take over the game in 96, but in terms of how good the albums were and how much play they get years later

As far TM101, yes it was more popular than Ironman, but musically was it better? Of course this is my opinion, but to me they are on par.

If you're speaking popularity, we might as well just say the only classics are albums that went triple plat or better.

illmatic and OB4CL are both average to me.
What i was pointing out is that the only albums on your list that werent really poppig,yet are being hailed as classics,happen to be from the east coast.
Why because you're brainwashed.