Apple Music has now surpassed Spotify's user base in the US.

[Formerly known as...]

Spotify and Tidal for me. fukk Apple music and their eco shyt.

 

[Dynamite James]

You're leading it when you buy cds.

It's not yours. It's just a copy

Duh. At least you have a copy.....

 

[satam55]

Apple Music is a throw away business for Apple and Google to get you into they ecosystem. Streaming music is not a standalone business....and neither is YouTube since they never made a profit.

Spotify can’t raise prices...it would be automatic defeat. Tidal treading water.

Streaming music should be $19.99 a month at normal quality as a stand-alone business. But Google and Apple can have loss leaders so ya screwed as a business.

Youtube has made billions of profit. Dont believe any of the reports from them, netflix, etc saying they losing money. They never open the books when its time. They tell you what they want you to hear.

No different than sports owners claim they lose $$

Netflix has a good business model.

If YouTube made billions of profit...you wouldn’t hide it as execs and a lot of employees at Google/alphabet have stock based compensation. Why artificially lower your stock price, lol?

dude, you can't be that foolish to believe YouTube hasnt made any money.

YouTube basically OG'd the way of streaming. Anything supported by ads on every video is making money, lots of it.

Literally every person with a phone or computer uses YouTube on occasion. More than facebook.

@jadillac You sure you're not confusing Profit with Revenue?

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

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[itsyoung!!]

Netflix has a good business model.

If YouTube made billions of profit...you wouldn’t hide it as execs and a lot of employees at Google/alphabet have stock based compensation. Why artificially lower your stock price, lol?

thats not how stocks work lol.

its pretty simple, what business model you know allegedly loses millions for, what, 20 years in a row now? How do they pay the light bill? The streamers/youtubers who bring content to them? They are raking in cash, its called juking the books. Corporations this size tell you what you want to hear. If any business was losing, now billions added up over the years, they woulda pulled the plug on it long time ago.


If you opened a bakery and by year 10 you never made a profit once, you would keep the bakery open? Of course not.

NFL and NBA owners had an entire lock out because "they werent making enough money and some were losing money" when investigators stepped in and said well lets open your books and see the money you make from jersey sales, concession stand $ and ticket $ (on top of the stadium they lease out for concerts, etc.) they said no and thats basically what ended their last lock outs is that they were scared the "losses" they were claiming to make, were actually hundreds of millions of profit each year.

Same business concept as the youtube loss theory, some of these owners are marginal billionaires (worth 1-2 billion at best, and most of that net worth tied up in the team they own). If you were worht 1 billion and you had a asset (NFL/NBA team) that was losing you 50 million a year, why not sell? Because reality is thats what their biggest money maker is. Its just a bargaining chip. "Oh we make no money, we pay players too much, we need a lock out to fix this"

thats all it is, if YouTube tells people they make no money, then people who use their service have no expectations of the money they make from ads from the videos they make. But If they knew they were only making 1% of the ad revenue (as example) then people would start applying pressure to YouTube to pay out more

 

[J-Fire]

thats not how stocks work lol.

its pretty simple, what business model you know allegedly loses millions for, what, 20 years in a row now? How do they pay the light bill? The streamers/youtubers who bring content to them? They are raking in cash, its called juking the books. Corporations this size tell you what you want to hear. If any business was losing, now billions added up over the years, they woulda pulled the plug on it long time ago.


If you opened a bakery and by year 10 you never made a profit once, you would keep the bakery open? Of course not.

NFL and NBA owners had an entire lock out because "they werent making enough money and some were losing money" when investigators stepped in and said well lets open your books and see the money you make from jersey sales, concession stand $ and ticket $ (on top of the stadium they lease out for concerts, etc.) they said no and thats basically what ended their last lock outs is that they were scared the "losses" they were claiming to make, were actually hundreds of millions of profit each year.

Same business concept as the youtube loss theory, some of these owners are marginal billionaires (worth 1-2 billion at best, and most of that net worth tied up in the team they own). If you were worht 1 billion and you had a asset (NFL/NBA team) that was losing you 50 million a year, why not sell? Because reality is thats what their biggest money maker is. Its just a bargaining chip. "Oh we make no money, we pay players too much, we need a lock out to fix this"

thats all it is, if YouTube tells people they make no money, then people who use their service have no expectations of the money they make from ads from the videos they make. But If they knew they were only making 1% of the ad revenue (as example) then people would start applying pressure to YouTube to pay out more

Alphabet does not lose money. YouTube is not a standalone business. YouTube reporting a profit will raise the stock price of Alphabet guaranteed. YouTube host anyone video...unlimited even if you don’t monetize it so they lose money in that regard too.

YouTube doesn’t have legit competition thus far. Amazon affiliates, patreon, and sponsors supplement ad revenue for YouTubers. Ad revenue is their draw and if they stopped sharing with creators and limited hosting of videos they would be profitable....but that’s common knowledge. We do have access to 10k reports just like the business media and we know they lose money cause they pay creators.

Pressure on YouTube to pay out more, lol!...nawww. That won’t happen until a legit competitor arrives.

Alphabet responsibility is to stock holders...and the execs have stock based compensation as well. A lower stock price is not beneficial to employees in any scenario.

 

[Take It In Blood]

I don't listen to music enough to justify the monthly payments

 

[beenz]

I'm never gonna lease music

Me either. I do not like streaming music at all.

Also, Apple will never surpass Spotify because outside of the United States, the iPhone is much much lower than Android.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

well when you're built in to one of the most popular phones with people who don't know how to do anything for themselves outside the Apple ecosystem, no shyt

I'm never gonna lease music

yet you "lease" internet access, cell service, tv/movie access each month....

yall really keep running with this as if it's an actual sound argument and that people cant OWN the projects they care about...

 

[beenz]

thats not how stocks work lol.

its pretty simple, what business model you know allegedly loses millions for, what, 20 years in a row now? How do they pay the light bill? The streamers/youtubers who bring content to them? They are raking in cash, its called juking the books. Corporations this size tell you what you want to hear. If any business was losing, now billions added up over the years, they woulda pulled the plug on it long time ago.


If you opened a bakery and by year 10 you never made a profit once, you would keep the bakery open? Of course not.

I can think of two. WNBA and Uber are two business we that have yet to turn a profit. The WNBA has lost millions for decades and Uber is losing billions annually.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

i like spotify better

the sound is insanely better, one of the reasons i couldn't stick with apple music after the trial (amongst other things)

 

[Bickin Back Being Bool]

I'm never gonna lease music

Exactly, if the time comes, fukk those 2, Tidal gang

 

[swerve]

Funny that the article is questioning Spotify’s active user base but not apples

 

[Harry B]

Apple Music is a throw away business for Apple and Google to get you into they ecosystem. Streaming music is not a standalone business....and neither is YouTube since they never made a profit.

Spotify can’t raise prices...it would be automatic defeat. Tidal treading water.

Streaming music should be $19.99 a month at normal quality as a stand-alone business. But Google and Apple can have loss leaders so ya screwed as a business.

Netflix is cheaper and making profit. If you get Apple Music you’re most likely already in Apple’s ecosystem, same with google music.

And how do you know YouTube hasn’t made profit? It was only out for 1 year before google bought it, and that was in 2007.

 

[Dominic Brehetto]

I can resell my car or home once I build equity.

Cds are worthless and waste space.

Actually a lot of cds have gone out of print and are now collectors items worth good money.

Stuff like that always goes up as the years go and they become scarce.

I have comics,games,vinyls etc worth hundreds/thousands