Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania starring Paul Rudd, Evangeline Lilly, Jonathan Majors, & Bill Murry Feb 17th, 2023

[Solomon Lurke]

Spoiler: My Kang Theory

For all those upset at Kang being nerfed, I went through the same for a moment, but had to think about it. I believe essentially this is a weaker Kang or one with some of moral compass. Both him and He Who Remains keeps giving similar sentiments like hey dumbasses, you should listen to me cause if not a fierce Kang will come. They really had to push his hand for him to even start wrecking shxt and at that point he did it with ease but he still wanted to just get out and not fight. This is immediately supported by the post movie scene. It will more than likely take a Kang to beat Kang in the end rather that be Iron Lad or whoever. Plus if Kang as He Who Remains has already won then is this all essentially just a part of the greater plan.

 

[Conz]

keep thinking about this movie, which i guess is a good thing. i didn't think much about Wakanda, a far superior movie, imo.

they tried to give Scott/Cassie a Ragnarok side crew with the big chick being Valkyrie, Brain Ooze being Korg, and Bill Murray being Goldblum. None of the 3 were half as good. Hope they learn their lesson if they wanna do an Ant-man 4 and don't bring Brain Ooze to the real world and have him say another 15 hole jokes over the course of 45 minutes of screentime.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

keep thinking about this movie, which i guess is a good thing. i didn't think much about Wakanda, a far superior movie, imo.

they tried to give Scott/Cassie a Ragnarok side crew with the big chick being Valkyrie, Brain Ooze being Korg, and Bill Murray being Goldblum. None of the 3 were half as good. Hope they learn their lesson if they wanna do an Ant-man 4 and don't bring Brain Ooze to the real world and have him say another 15 hole jokes over the course of 45 minutes of screentime.

MCU needs to kill the side crew stuff. They are doing it too much and it has 0 impact. Ragnarok worked because Korg is at least funny but the kids in Love and Thunder and this revolution no one cares about in this movie was very unnecessary. While I like the message of common folk need to come together to stop tyranny thay have done it too much especially lately.

 

[jmegamar]

Just saw it yesterday. I give it 6/10. Kang is the best part and honestly compared to everyone else it feels like he jumped in from a completely different and better movie. Some of the dialogue is awful in the last 20 minutes. Post credits are what we want to see which is showing more direction in this phase.

 

[Conz]

MCU needs to kill the side crew stuff. They are doing it too much and it has 0 impact. Ragnarok worked because Korg is at least funny but the kids in Love and Thunder and this revolution no one cares about in this movie was very unnecessary. While I like the message of common folk need to come together to stop tyranny thay have done it too much especially lately.

they need canon fodder. all big budget action adventure movies do, and they're almost always tedious and one of the main complaints of said movie. the mindless army of the bad guy, the "freedom fighters" that die so our heroes don't have to, etc. i wish there was a way to just ax them all. thankfully we're in a MCU slump right now, or else they would have probably already announced a Disney+ show about that shytty woman and her micro freedom fighters.

 

[Makavalli]

Lmao seriously.

Spoiler

Whole time the shyt ass ant family is down there ruining his entire fukking plan just by Antman being a big oafish fukk, Kang just sitting there in a tower watching it happen. Not even trying to stop these stupid ant people. Just up there watching his whole plan get ruined by these cocksuckers. And only after his shyt is completely fukked does he come down to fight. And these nikkas tryna act like “bu-bu-he weak” as if that changes the fact that dude moving retarded as fukk. Leaving everybody alive over and over again for absolutely no reason. What was the point of him even keeping Cassie around after getting his shyt back? She was worthless as shyt. All it did was give us a paper thin reason for Antman to come back to him and ruin his plan. Whole time he’s screaming “WE HAD A DEAL! WHERES MY DAUGHTER” I’m sitting there like breh just give him that wack bytch. Matter fact why don’t you just kill her? Smfh.

Also why not just finally kill the old bytch who had you stranded there and blew up your power supply? Why just keep her around to watch your entire fukking plan? What was the point of that? There was no point. Just a dumb plot device to keep her around that general area to fukk his plans up more. None of the shyt Kang did made sense unless he was actively trying to lose, which in that case good fukkin job buddy.

So much plot induced stupidity and dudes here still eager to carry water for this trash. Pathetic

I see your point. I guess we gotta do a wait and see because if it wasnt by design than it was dumb as fukk. Im just looking at is as chapter 1 in a long phase so i wont critic too hardly til we see the whole saga and retroactively can look back

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

They did, though…or am I not remembering Thanos getting hemmed up by a series of mcu d leaguers in the build up to Infinity War?

The people who defeated him were largely D and C leaguers. Including Ant-Man. Again, Kang is not THANOS. They are two completely different types of villains. If Kang shows up, wipes the floor with everyone on his first encounter, at a disadvantage, and then the full extent of why he's such a threat is shown what fukking chance do the heroes have, particularly this bad batch coming out of Phase 4? You all do know that Kang has to lose at the end right? If he has the same physical strength and power as Thanos, plus the ability of a super genius who knows time inside and out HOW ARE YOU GOING TO REALISTICALLY WRITE A STORY WHERE HE LOSES? The Kang you guys want to see getting beating by Phase 4 Marvel heroes would make even less sense than Ant-Man's fluke victory.

I know yall want to see a black man running wild but like I stated it's actually created more black criticism toward the character. If Kang was white there wouldn't be this "OMG why didn't he just destroy the entire world!?" There would likely be more, "That was too easy for Ant-Man. Scott probably played right into his master plan." But since Majors is playing the character instead of just bad writing or even the withholding of story beats to be revealed later it's; "MARVEL JUST DONT WANNA SEE A BLACK MAN STRONG!!!!!! "

Kang is going to tie into almost every Marvel project going forward. Why would they INTENTIONALLY SABOTAGE THE fukkING LYNCHPIN OF THEIR MONEY PRINTING FRANCHISE BECAUSE HE IS A BLACK MAN, A MAN THEY HIRED TO BE IN THAT ROLE?! You guys do know he wasn't born Kang the Conqueror right? He's not really the character. He EARNED the role because he is a fantastic actor but they could have gotten some villain character actor like Mads Mickelson for the role if they didn't want a black man to have it.

 

[Jaguar93]

none of theses MCU characters. Are going to be as powerful, as their comic books counterparts. Cuz comic book Ant-Man, would pack bruhs up.

 

[Kidd Dibiase]

I hate the “I don’t have time to explain just follow me” shyt that happens in movies. A 2-3 minute convo would easily give time to formulate a plan afterwards

 

[AquaCityBoy]

The more I think on it, the more I feel like they're definitely doing more telling than showing with Kang.

We know Kang is a threat because they told us he was a threat and they're building all of Phase Five around him, but if you're somebody who doesn't follow every MCU project and you saw this you wouldn't feel it aside from the mid-credits scene. In this movie he just feels like every other weak ass MCU villain, just slightly more menacing due to Jonathan Majors' performance. It doesn't help that this is literally a small-scale threat, so it doesn't sell you on how evil he's really supposed to be, and this version of Kang gets taken out relatively anticlimatically, so what exactly is the sell for him going forward? All these multiversal variants get washed by the end of the movie, but there's a lot of them? That's pretty lame and doesn't really make you buy into the multiversal threat.


It also really struggles with both the threat of Kang and the relative goofiness of the Ant-Man movies. Every bit of the M.O.D.O.K. shyt was horrible, and Darren's sacrifice at the end completely undercuts the tension in the final battle. You also feel it missing the supporting cast of the first two movies.


This was the wrong movie to have MCU Kang make his film debut, but they're in a weird place where they have nobody else--Iron Man is dead. Captain America is . Hulk is locked into weird rights issues. Thor just have a movie. Guardians is done. Spider-Man has been soft-rebooted. All the Disney+ characters aren't established enough for this debut. Where else could Kang have appeared? Shang-Chi 2? Eternals 2?

Makes me think they spent way too much time meandering in Phase Four to really make Kang feel like a threat in Phase Five.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

 

[VoxSphere74]

The Loki TV series did.
I don’t care what the complaint of the day is. My critique was it’s hard to take Kang seriously because we’ve seen him get his card pulled by Sylvie, old wasp for 30 years, and new wasp.

This.

And Kang just passively accepted it.

Now he should have wiped the floor with both of them with them only barely getting away. Or maybe Sylvie gets bushed so Loki has to find another Sylvie variant for the next season. But instead he calmly explains himself for most of the episode and then gets bushed by Sylvie.

Which is insane because you can't have your big bad get defeated by a C-list semi-hero and expect them to be taken seriously.

Because even Loki in the Avengers was such a problem that the whole team had to get together to stop him.

So they're saying Loki is more powerful than Kang?

Or Ultron who required all the Avengers to stop him is more powerful than him?

And you can't say that Kang is the new big bad and the MCU will center around him and then make him just a low level annoyance to the point where Scott Lang can beat him in a fist fight.

Because it's just embarrassing.

 

[O.Red]

I think a better comparison would be Iron Man instead, another super smart human who relies on his suit/tech. And no cant think of a situation where antman can beat Iron man.

What is he going to do? Get big as IM rains missiles and shyt down on him and Kang couldnt do that? Too weakened to be on IM level

Come the fukk on

To be fair Ant-Man came very close to beating Iron Man in Civil War when he went inside Tony's suit and started unplugging shyt

 

[Uncle Baby Billy]

5/10 this was a nothing movie.

 

[Deafheaven]

To be fair Ant-Man came very close to beating Iron Man in Civil War when he went inside Tony's suit and started unplugging shyt

Kang should already have prep time to know antman powers though