You say all this like QBs who win don't have bad luck they need to overcome breh
Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds?
Do I really need to say it?
Another playoffs with Lamar McGrady going home early
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Do I really need to say it?
Football is complementary. If an offense cant get first downs, the defense will wear down. When you put up 3 pts in a year where you threw 49 td passes. There is no one else to blame..Do not downplay that overturned int..one of the worst calls in history. Gave them life, when the game shouldve been over. Youre blaming Harper for not returning a fumble for a td, yet ignoring them being setup at midfield,.with clock and timeouts?? You wanna use what ifs, well Manning almost threw the game losing int to Bryant McFadden. How about all the sacks he took.in that game? Why we would be discussing entire career when we are talking about he and Lamars pre Superbowl, postseason struggles??
Dr. Narcisse
Veteran
eye test tells you this was one of his best playoff games. He was good in this game, legitimately good...
But he needed to be GREAT, and he wasnt. His two turnovers cost his team big time, and he picked the wrong time to have his worst game of the year...
His passer rating was like 28 points higher than Allen's yesterday. The best plays between the two, were Lamar plays, its crazy how he was simultaneously the best player on the field, and made the two worst plays of the game...
If Lamar doesn't turn the ball over, they are never in position for Andrews to fumble, or to chase 2 points. His turnovers cost the team...
But the growth is there, eye test proves it. He shook off those turnovers and led the Ravens back, that TD to Likely was beautiful, that whole second half he was in control...
The stats are what he was judged on prior, but they can't really do that anymore. Honestly can't feel too sorry for him either, he knows this. He's got a bad habit of saving his worst games of the season for the playoffs, and until that ends, he's gonna be judged accordingly...
I'm rooting for fam and I do think he breaks thru eventually!
Henry dropping that wide open pass in the first half is one of many mistakes. He's one of my favorite players ever but it's why I can't put him over Faulk yet---->and obviously Faulk is my favorite offensive player ever (#2 for me overall after Charles Woodson)...
But Faulk doesn't drop that pass!
That said, not going to Henry on either 2pt conversion is one of the coaching errors Harbaugh should have to answer for. He killed Buffalo in the second half...
He's Manning reincarnated in an athletic black man with swag. But Manning is also why I'm optimistic Lamar breaks thru at some point. He had the same clouds over his head...
Lamar will get his at some point. Crazy thing is as much as he's continued to improve, he still has room to grow. When he eliminates the backbreaking playoff moments, it'll push the Ravens all the way...
With no #1 WR on the road vs Buffalo in frigid temperatures. Again the first int wasn't his fault as Bateman broke the route off too soon. Fumble was a horrible mistake trying to save a bad snap.
Sports discourse is bad right now because he did play great (relatively). He just didn't play perfect/clean.
When......if, he finally wins it's going to be epic 
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
It’s ridiculous that the defense should be able to get a stop in the red zone? For the last 8 weeks they’d been the best defense in the league. They should be able to at least get one red zone stop in the first 3 tries. Buffalo’s first half went as follows:
Touchdown drive that goes the length of the field that ends with a short yardage touchdown
Punt after 1-2 first downs
Touchdown on a short field that ends in a short yardage touchdown
Touchdown drive that covers the length of the field that ends in a short yardage touchdown.
Is it really that nuts to ask the defense get a stop here or there or to at least hold the other team to a field goal in the red zone?
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Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
I got the 2003 and 2004 matchups mashed together. Could’ve sworn the 4 picks game and the 3 points game were the same year. I’m saying Harper blew it by not breaking for the sideline and letting Ben have a lane to trip him up. If he takes an angle and heads for the sideline then ben doesn’t catch him and the colts probably win it on an 99 yard fumble return touchdown. Obviously Vanderjagdt gets no pass for a miss that bad. Peyton didn’t have a particularly good game. It’s a sport where you play 11 on 11 and only one side of the ball. Someone else besides the quarterback at some point needs to step up and make the big play (which happens for basically every team that wins it all) like the following year where the defense carried him through the divisional round and then Bob Sanders and Marlon Jackson got stops on the colts last two stands on defense to set up and then seal the win.
You keep ignoring the good plays players did make
Even making Jerome Betty's fumble was a HUGE break
Ignoring that his defense kept on making stops after the 1st quarter is huge
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
Drink wolf cola
I agree Bettis trying to get skinny in his words was a huge break for the colts. Then Harper nearly gave it back by not breaking for the sideline and giving Ben a chance to trip him up and we all saw how badly the kicker missed it. The ending is the most important and we’re talking about a game where it ended with the kicker missing a reasonable distance field goal indoors with the season on the line.
murksiderock
Superstar
Well, you can't say that I'm selective politicking because I've given plenty of detail about the game and plenty of criticism to Lamar. So I'm not sure why you'd levy that accusation at me specifically....
I don't disagree that passer rating is insignificant in the context of this game, I just mentioned it as an aside comparison of his play in comparison to Josh's. Josh played the cleaner, smarter game, so he was better in that regard...
murksiderock
Superstar
Yeah I get nailing him because his turnovers directly cost them the game. They probably blow Buffalo out without them...
But I dont get how, if you've seen his entire career, you don't give him credit for fighting back and making it a game. It was 21-10 at halftime. It couldve easily snowballed and game ended up 42-17 or some shyt if he goes in complete meltdown mode. He didn't and in the second half specifically he was amazing...
I wouldn't call it a "great" game overall, he did take a bad sack and have the two turnovers. But all things considered, it wasn't a terrible performance. There's optimism for his future, because this playoff run is the two best playoff games of his career. He's improving----->bit he still hasn't brought Regular Season Lamar into the playoffs yet...
It'll be a coronation like when Manning won in '06...When......if, he finally wins it's going to be epic
@Mantis Toboggan M.D. 2003 was the 4 int game, with 3 to Ty Law where the Pats won 24-14. Which led to the Colts/Manning/Polian whining, immediately leading to the 5 yard contact rule being reinforced. Contrary to popular belief, it was last reemphaszed prior to the 94 season, not 1978..2004 was the 3 pt performance after throwing for 49 td passes.
Dr. Narcisse
Veteran
Even the bad sack was more on the OC imo.
Henry and Ricard are essentially blocking and not part of the play.. Tackle running a route. Again the more you break down its more him not saving poor situations.
They should have ran the ball there instead of getting cute.
AVXL
Laughing at you n*ggaz like “ha ha ha”
Wait what?I agree it wasn't a terrible performance
Andrews still fukked up at the end.
My problwm is that Lamar had some really sabotaging plays.
1) The sack the goal line. They had the ball at the 2 yard line. They could have gotten a TD on that posession!
2) the horrific fumble that wasted the drive and spotted Buffalo a touchdown
3) the awful throw to Andrews on one other possession
4) the first 2pt conversion attempt where likely was wide open
5) the interception (which although inconsequential due to his defense making a stop... it still wasted a possession)
One of these is fine. 2 of them is okay. But 3? Then 4? You can't blame the game on someone else.
Especially when youre the MVP and have Henry. Your defense
Lamar obviously shouldn't get 100% of the blame. But I won't give him "credit for fighting back" since that's the bare minimum for a QB, let alone a 3x MVP in the playoffs, year 7.
