Another Plane Down. 148 passengers presumed dead. Co-pilot crashed on purpose.

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dude checked out way before the flight even pushed back, so it likely was planned. However, i doubt investigators will recover any evidence of it as i assumed he kept it to himself.

as for the timing, it was roughly 25-30 mins after departure, so at a relatively low stressful stage of flight. Take-off up until cruise and descent till landing are the most stressful stages of flight and requires all of the crew's undivided attention. So the captain was totally fine and legally allowed to leave his position for the bathroom and i'm thinking the first-officer even recommended he do so (hence the sound of the chair moving back). It was at this point that the first-officer locked the door and initiated the descent.



i'm not sure how it is on boeing, but on airbus, the lever is located on the lower section of the panel on the captains side. Three switch lever: unlock, norm and lock. If in the norm position, once a person leaves the cockpit, they will be able to re-enter it using an access code or another method. However, if in "lock", there is no way anyone is getting inside...code, the other method or not.

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more so for rogue if your based outta NBO as this took place in africa....there was a more recent accident in 2013 involving a pilot suicide. TM-470.



We can now see the flip side of the same measures implemented to protect us from terrorists post 9-11.

what i see happening in the future:

- Sterile Cockpit Rules being revamped. Completely. Having an extra crew member in the flight deck once another leaves being mandatory and crew being trained on what to do in the event such as this unfortunate one happens
- Live (real time transmission recording) camera's in the cockpit
- Remote flight monitoring and pilot override (sorta like how they operate drones)

the affect? pilots becoming less important, perhaps pay being slashed or even worst, the career being completely replaced (highly unlikely).

in any case, it really will now be about seeking a balance between safety and security. Airlines will be carefully watching how this investigation unfolds and I see major changes in the industry happening after this.

I've sat in 1C numerous times on similar aircrafts and whenever I see the captain/1st officer open the door and come for a drink/chat with flight attendants he always kept the door open. :huhldup:

It shocked me the first couple of times :dwillhuh: this was on American Airlines btw.
 
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I've sat in the 1C numerous times on similar aircrafts and whenever I see the captain/1st officer open the door and come for a drink/chat with flight attendants he always kept the door open. :huhldup:

It shocked me the first couple of times :dwillhuh: this was on American Americans btw.

i understand at the gate and during boarding....but inflight? :dwillhuh:

truth of the matter is, we really don't kno what those up front are capable of doing, what their mental or health state is.

even last year breh...

A co-pilot on an Ethiopian Airlines flight bound for Rome hijacked the airliner early Monday morning and flew it to Geneva, Switzerland, looking for asylum.

The co-pilot took control of the plane when the pilot went to the restroom, said Swiss police spokesman Jean-Philippe Brandt.

The co-pilot, who was not named, closed the fortified door, police said. Instead of Rome, he then steered the plane toward Geneva.


http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/17/world/europe/ethiopian-airlines-hijacking/
 

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lets be honest, we're comin up with all these solutions but the system isnt really broken

this has happened what, maybe not even ever before? outta millions of flights?

id rather get flown by a robot tho :ehh:

but yo; the pilot should never BE able to be locked out
 

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i understand at the gate and during boarding....but inflight? :dwillhuh:

truth of the matter is, we really don't kno what those up front are capable of doing, what their mental or health state is.

even last year breh...

It shocked me too :damn: I mean it was bad enough he came out for orange juice but he pour it himself from the jug like we were at a diner and if that wasn't insulting enough he did all of this while having a conversation with the flight attendants with the door wide open.:skip:
 

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I've sat in 1C numerous times on similar aircrafts and whenever I see the captain/1st officer open the door and come for a drink/chat with flight attendants he always kept the door open. :huhldup:

It shocked me the first couple of times :dwillhuh: this was on American Americans btw.

That is definitely breaking protocol.
 

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It shocked me too :damn: I mean it was bad enough he came out for orange juice but he pour it himself from the jug like we were at a diner and if that wasn't insulting enough he did all of this while having a conversation with the flight attendants with the door wide open.:skip:

breh :wow:

imagine an AA exec was on board....homeboy would've been out of a job upon arrival.

or worst, a :demonic: dude that took advantage of that opportunity. It would've been :sadcam: for you breh
 

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breh :wow:

imagine an AA exec was on board....homeboy would've been out of a job upon arrival.

or worst, a :demonic: dude that took advantage of that opportunity. It would've been :sadcam: for you breh

There were only 3 other people in the first class cabin but still you can't be doing that post 911.
 

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Why didn't the dude just put the chrome to the dome instead :mjcry:

Killing innocent people because he's was 100% pure bytch
He probably wanted the recognition of being known for crashing a plane, if he shot himself nobody would have known outside of his social circle.
That's what you get for flying on a budget airplane. I only fly on national carriers.
:dahell: Pilots on National Carriers are human too and the same thing could happen.


If CEO's of banks commit dat, then an American Airlines Pilot certainty can too, these dudes have to work odd hours and on holidays, that alone could cause marriage problems.
 

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i was watching this on the news and it hit me :wow: all things considered, the public trust combined with the lack of motive or justification. this is really one of the worst crimes ive ever seen committed against humanity in 1 single act
 

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As soon as I heard that the decent was controlled(near the french alps out of all places:childplease:) and that one pilot was locked out I knew it had to be intentional. I'm convinced the same happened with the still missing Malaysian Airlines plane before it was shot down. Only three ways they tend to generally go down; pilot error, intent from the pilots or pilot to crash it or shot down by the military/government for security reasons. As it was a controlled descent, those people knew they were going to die just before, goddamn:snoop:. They're saying he was 100% fit to fly, so unless something comes out later he just said "fukk it" and then decided to crash it :snoop: or those psych tests need to re-evaluated. :rip: to the victims.

I knew it was intentional when they said it just slowly decrease altitude smoothly. The part of the aircraft I worked on was Flight Controls so I knew that was some bullshyt. bytchin' Betty would have been yapping like hell in conjunction with Visual warnings too. You would have GPWS and TCAS systems going crazy and the EFCS {Electronic Flight Control System] trying to take over. If they didn't hear any of the alerts that means he hushed the Aural warnings...ignored the Visual... disengaged the EFCS and etc because the plane won't just let you crash yourself. That EFCS will auto correct you if you fukk up...hell all the pilots really have to do is take off and land on some flights and during just watch the gauges...the plane will flight itself according to the flight plan.

Sucks because he really had to try to hit the mountain...smh.
 

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I knew it was intentional when they said it just slowly decrease altitude smoothly. The part of the aircraft I worked on was Flight Controls so I knew that was some bullshyt. bytchin' Betty would have been yapping like hell in conjunction with Visual warnings too. You would have GPWS and TCAS systems going crazy and the EFCS {Electronic Flight Control System] trying to take over. If they didn't hear any of the alerts that means he hushed the Aural warnings...ignored the Visual... disengaged the EFCS and etc because the plane won't just let you crash yourself. That EFCS will auto correct you if you fukk up...hell all the pilots really have to do is take off and land on some flights and during just watch the gauges...the plane will flight itself according to the flight plan.

Sucks because he really had to try to hit the mountain...smh.

makes you wonder if he left a message on the voice recorder on why he was doing what he did

if he said nothing then that just expands the mystery
 
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