Anime Talk: Who wins in a battle,The Espada led by Aizen or the uchiha‘s led by Madara?

[Cadillac]

That don’t matter. Kenpachi is a war potential threat which is far stronger than anything in Naruto.

He could just fling Madara or Guy into space and heal himself. And then there’s no real way to hurt him for them either.

You haven’t watched anything. What the hell is ANYONE in Naruto doing to Lille? His attack is literally he instantly hits you if he points in your direction and you can’t even touch him. He needed reality altering super ability to even get touched and then he just revived himself to become stronger. Guy would go 8 Gates and then be useless because physical attacks don’t work on Elites. Just touching Pernida is an instant loss for you and it took super magical science that Naruto can’t replicate to beat him.

You’re talking about countries like Ulq wasn’t biking entire country sides with a random energy spear That Ichigo broke with his bare hands.

Yamamoto would literally turn the entire Naruto-verse into ash. One Piece isn’t even in the same area. Even strong people like Big Mom, Whitebeard, Kizaru, or Marco would struggle with Esparda, much less the Quincies.

Even guys like Barragan and Stark would be the most powerful things in One Piece. Already 10x faster than anything sans maybe Kizaru and they got abilities that easily beat things like intangibility or anything.

@bolded this is all hype, look I'm not into these types of topics. And its been a while since I saw these type of debates. So Im rusty in this stuff

but last I checked when I viewed them im pretty sure you can't just use this reasoning.
You need features/calcs I remember that much about this shyt Same with Ulq where your calculations, because we can play this game for a while on hype and author's statements

but fukk it seeing as how we playing this game the poster above me kinda already answered for me

Madara single-handedly washes all of them and with adult Sasuke by his side it's overkillll.

Madara's and Sasuke's rinnegan see through everything. No illusion can affect them. Their eyes are not normal eyes like brehs here are thinking.
Even if Aizen somehow hypnotizes the rinnegan Madara still has a sixth sense called six path sage mode which makes him sense everything even other dimensions.
It is impossible to trick this sense because Aizen can only hypnotize the 5 senses. I also forgot to mention that ninjas have the ability to release themselves from illusions and hypnosis. Many brehs are also forgetting that Madara, Itachi, and Sasuke are all hypnosis specialists. They can also put Aizen in an illusion.

How does Madara single-handedly wash them?

He has powerful abilities like Limbo (completely invisible and invincible clones that are as strong as he is), infinite Tsukuyomi (most powerful illusion in the series), Perfect Susanoo (ultimate defense and offense), Light fang (can cut anything in the speed of light) and Truth-seeking orbs (completely disintegrates objects).

Limbo is the reason why he can handle the all the Arrancars and Aizen by himself. They will not be able to see the clones nor hit them. No attack affects them so this another fail-safe against Aizen's hypnotic abilities.

Many people in this thread think that Madara can't throw nukes like Ulquiorra. He can through nukes way stronger than him. Just look what this guy that was weaker than Madara did.

A person weaker than Madara cut the moon in half and Naruto took this blast to the face like it was nothing.

I also forgot to say that Madara is immortal so they can't kill him.

As for the OP vs Bleach point: Ur downplaying One Piece and in particular its speed. Law would be able to handle Stark and Barragan as he was able to catch up with Doflamingo who has a impressive meteorite feat.(SO he has the speed)

and his shambles abilities are broken enough to handle them
speaking of which

 

[42 Monks]

breh missing the point

ulqiorra is throwing nukes and he's a fukking nobody. people ain't even sure what dimension aizen belongs to

and shooting the moon is cute when it doesn't fight back. after a certain point, everyone was tanking shyt like that in bleach. bleach got people whipping up pocket universes and straight up telling time and space "No." Anybody fighting straight up is taking an L. the only person worth a damn from the uchiha clan was madara and as far as i know that dude is dead. again.

im pretty sure they had SEVERAL immortal arrancar. one they had to kill with a portion of his own body and the other they had to slow his mind down to to tens of thousandths of a second so he couldn't cognitively process the need to resurrect himself.

:BearnikkaWhat:

See what I mean? People talking WITH authority but WITHOUT knowledge.

Aizen is truly immortal, unequivocally.

Madara has died. Twice.:Egregious1:

I'm saying. Pretty sure Madara had to hold that while Aizen is still on final boss status.

 

[Anhur]

:BearnikkaWhat:

See what I mean? People talking WITH authority but WITHOUT knowledge.

Aizen is truly immortal, unequivocally.

Madara has died. Twice.:Egregious1:

The title says ten tails Madara. If someone has the ten tails then they become immortal. Both times he died was without the ten tails.
I also forgot to mention that Madara can also summon hundreds of wood and shadow clones to overwhelm Aizen and his team. Dealing with one Madara is horrible but fighting with hundreds of his clones is just overkill.

breh missing the point

ulqiorra is throwing nukes and he's a fukking nobody. people ain't even sure what dimension aizen belongs to

and shooting the moon is cute when it doesn't fight back. after a certain point, everyone was tanking shyt like that in bleach. bleach got people whipping up pocket universes and straight up telling time and space "No." Anybody fighting straight up is taking an L. the only person worth a damn from the uchiha clan was madara and as far as i know that dude is dead. again.

im pretty sure they had SEVERAL immortal arrancar. one they had to kill with a portion of his own body and the other they had to slow his mind down to to tens of thousandths of a second so he couldn't cognitively process the need to resurrect himself.

I'm saying. Pretty sure Madara had to hold that while Aizen is still on final boss status.

Cutting the moon in half would take thousands of times the power Ulquiorra uses. Limbo clones will just attach TSB to the Arrancar and Aizen which would disintegrate them or just decapitate them with light fang and they wouldn't even know what hit them. It's that easy. Limbo clones are horribly hax. You can't sense or touch them at all unless you have the exact same ability as Madara. Another Limbo clone can just fly up and start infinite Tsukuyomi and put all of Aizen's team in a trance for eternity.

 

[LordDeathwatch]

The title says ten tails Madara. If someone has the ten tails then they become immortal. Both times he died was without the ten tails.
I also forgot to mention that Madara can also summon hundreds of wood and shadow clones to overwhelm Aizen and his team. Dealing with one Madara is horrible but fighting with hundreds of his clones is just overkill.


Cutting the moon in half would take thousands of times the power Ulquiorra uses. Limbo clones will just attach TSB to the Arrancar and Aizen which would disintegrate them or just decapitate them with light fang and they wouldn't even know what hit them. It's that easy. Limbo clones are horribly hax. You can't sense or touch them at all unless you have the exact same ability as Madara. Another Limbo clone can just fly up and start infinite Tsukuyomi and put all of Aizen's team in a trance for eternity.

Breh, Madara caught the Life or Death beats from Gai with all that tailed chakra.

Gai.

Gai.

A normal ass nikka.:VenoBreh1:

 

[Anhur]

Breh, Madara caught the Life or Death beats from Gai with all that tailed chakra.

Gai.

Gai.

A normal ass nikka.:VenoBreh1:

Guy was fighting a single-eyed Madara who was toying with him. You shouldn't underestimate 8 gates Guy. Madara was able to react to his final attack in which Guy was moving at the very least in the speed of light.
I'm talking about Madara that has 3 eyes that also has the divine tree. Guy wouldn't even touch him. Madara was able to make 20 meteors that were way larger than mountains and called them raindrops. His power vastly increases with the number of eyes he has. With 3 eyes he was toying with Sasuke and Naruto who are far superior to Guy.

If he dropped this on the Arrancars he would definitely take one or two out.

 

[42 Monks]

anyone in naruto who has a barrier or something is a rarity - in bleach everyone has one. they're dumber about it than dbz power levels

The title says ten tails Madara. If someone has the ten tails then they become immortal. Both times he died was without the ten tails.
I also forgot to mention that Madara can also summon hundreds of wood and shadow clones to overwhelm Aizen and his team. Dealing with one Madara is horrible but fighting with hundreds of his clones is just overkill.


Cutting the moon in half would take thousands of times the power Ulquiorra uses. Limbo clones will just attach TSB to the Arrancar and Aizen which would disintegrate them or just decapitate them with light fang and they wouldn't even know what hit them. It's that easy. Limbo clones are horribly hax. You can't sense or touch them at all unless you have the exact same ability as Madara. Another Limbo clone can just fly up and start infinite Tsukuyomi and put all of Aizen's team in a trance for eternity.

Moon doesn't have any reiatsu barriers and immortal is mad subjective these days too when madara starts distorting time and space with his presence alone and normal humans start turning to ash just by being near him let me know. its been confirmed that his spiritual pressure/reiatsu or whatever would straight up cancel out abilities with no conscious effort. that same shyt ulq was throwing around was being pitched by stark and captains and above tank that shyt free even when its focused and point blank.

since you want to go off feats as well, ichigo was dodging and blocking gin's instant infinite mass blade but aizen had him moving in slow motion and looking stupid. once you start playing the infinite mass game you're in Flash territory and you know how ridiculous that gets...

 

[Anhur]

anyone in naruto who has a barrier or something is a rarity - in bleach everyone has one. they're dumber about it than dbz power levels

Moon doesn't have any reiatsu barriers and immortal is mad subjective these days too when madara starts distorting time and space with his presence alone and normal humans start turning to ash just by being near him let me know. its been confirmed that his spiritual pressure/reiatsu or whatever would straight up cancel out abilities with no conscious effort. that same shyt ulq was throwing around was being pitched by stark and captains and above tank that shyt free even when its focused and point blank.

since you want to go off feats as well, ichigo was dodging and blocking gin's instant infinite mass blade but aizen had him moving in slow motion and looking stupid. once you start playing the infinite mass game you're in Flash territory and you know how ridiculous that gets...

Gin claims that his sword can extend itself up to 13 km (8.1 miles) at 500 times the speed of sound: exactly 171,500 meters per second

Madara reacted to Minato's instant teleportation and Guy's lightspeed (299 792 458 m/s) kick. This means that Madara in a weaker state (only one eye) can react to something 2000 times faster than Gin's Bankai. Furthermore, Naruto dodged one-eyed Madara's light speed attack in point-blank range like nothing.

Guy who's vastly weaker than Madara distorted time and space with his speed alone. Chakra is partially spiritual so it would affect Aizen's team.

Aizen also has no answer to Infinite Tsukuyomi, TSB, and Limbo.

 

[Anerdyblackguy]

Breh, Madara caught the Life or Death beats from Gai with all that tailed chakra.

Gai.

Gai.

A normal ass nikka.:VenoBreh1:

You need to put some respect on eight gates guy. While I believe the overwhelmingly force of the arrancars particularly Ulquorra and Stark ( if he wants to try) would be too much for the other Uchiha’s. Don’t use GOAT guy to discredit anyone.

Also Let’s not act like Aizen wasn’t scared of old man Yamamoto. He literally built wonderweiss because he knew he couldn’t handle him. Aizen knew that fire wasn’t to be played with and Sasauke Amaterasu isn’t that far off.

Again. To stop Aizen hypnosis all you need to do is touch the tip of his sword. If Aizen wasn’t fully immersed in that Hogyoko Aizen would’ve been dead from Gin.

While Aizen is great. Aizen can be touched

 

[42 Monks]

Gin claims that his sword can extend itself up to 13 km (8.1 miles) at 500 times the speed of sound: exactly 171,500 meters per second

Madara reacted to Minato's instant teleportation and Guy's lightspeed (299 792 458 m/s) kick. This means that Madara in a weaker state (only one eye) can react to something 2000 times faster than Gin's Bankai. Furthermore, Naruto dodged one-eyed Madara's light speed attack in point-blank range like nothing.

Guy who's vastly weaker than Madara distorted time and space with his speed alone. Chakra is partially spiritual so it would affect Aizen's team.

Now we're going back to claims. since Gin's sword was never effected by other sword altering abilities. Weight and scatter didn't do shyt to it. If its adding to itself and not stretching, which it can't be because its cutting captain tier people in half at distance, then the mass fukkery still applies. People always drop that part when its pushing people that palm nukes.

Aizen was hitting instant transmission after the end of the city and physical objects were disintegrating just being close to him. And Chakra ain't even their own. Everyone in Naruto leased that shyt Aizen''s healing wasn't even traditional either. He didn't regenerate he was straight up undoing history.

 

[Anhur]

Now we're going back to claims. since Gin's sword was never effected by other sword altering abilities. Weight and scatter didn't do shyt to it. If its adding to itself and not stretching, which it can't be because its cutting captain tier people in half at distance, then the mass fukkery still applies. People always drop that part when its pushing people that palm nukes.

Aizen was hitting instant transmission after the end of the city and physical objects were disintegrating just being close to him. And Chakra ain't even their own. Everyone in Naruto leased that shyt Aizen''s healing wasn't even traditional either. He didn't regenerate he was straight up undoing history.

Gin knows his sword better than the both of us. If he says that's how fast his Bankai is then that's how fast it is.
Gin's Bankai took Aizen by surprise while Madara would see that coming extremely easily.
Madara could probably teleport since he awakened his third eye. Everyone with a Sharinrinnegan could teleport. Don't forget that Madara can react to teleporters like 2nd Hokage, Minato, and later Sasuke.

Madara uses Limbos to decapitate or disintegrate Aizen and then seals him. You can't dodge what you can't see.

 

[42 Monks]

Gin knows his sword better than the both of us. If he says that's how fast his Bankai is then that's how fast it is.
Gin's Bankai took Aizen by surprise while Madara would see that coming extremely easily.
Madara could probably teleport since he awakened his third eye. Everyone with a Sharinrinnegan could teleport. Don't forget that Madara can react to teleporters like 2nd Hokage, Minato, and later Sasuke.

Madara uses Limbos to decapitate or disintegrate Aizen and then seals him. You can't dodge what you can't see.

Betrayal isn't a matter of speed

If Gin could touch him twice he would've tried. And again, you only need one indefinite to get into infinite mass hijinks. When you create mass out of nothing, you're already there.

And like I said, Chakra is on loan - and from one source. Those pills are hard to swallow. Maybe Madara's lease holder can have a talk. And if you want to have the "Chakra = Spiritual Pressure" angle, point me to the scenes where Chakra was putting people on their knees while the user was doing nothing but being nearby and passively stopping proven instant kills.

 

[LordDeathwatch]

You need to put some respect on eight gates guy. While I believe the overwhelmingly force of the arrancars particularly Ulquorra and Stark ( if he wants to try) would be too much for the other Uchiha’s. Don’t use GOAT guy to discredit anyone.

Also Let’s not act like Aizen wasn’t scared of old man Yamamoto. He literally built wonderweiss because he knew he couldn’t handle him. Aizen knew that fire wasn’t to be played with and Sasauke Amaterasu isn’t that far off.

Again. To stop Aizen hypnosis all you need to do is touch the tip of his sword. If Aizen wasn’t fully immersed in that Hogyoko Aizen would’ve been dead from Gin.

While Aizen is great. Aizen can be touched

fukk Gai & his current Hover Round bound existence.:Egregious1:

I'm still riding with #KisameSet

 

[Anhur]

Betrayal isn't a matter of speed

If Gin could touch him twice he would've tried. And again, you only need one indefinite to get into infinite mass hijinks. When you create mass out of nothing, you're already there.

And like I said, Chakra is on loan - and from one source. Those pills are hard to swallow. Maybe Madara's lease holder can have a talk. And if you want to have the "Chakra = Spiritual Pressure" angle, point me to the scenes where Chakra was putting people on their knees while the user was doing nothing but being nearby and passively stopping proven instant kills.

Madara has a humongous amount of chakra. He has the ten tails inside him which is the thing where are chakra originates. I said that one component of Chakra is spiritual energy.
We aren't going to debate Gin's ability because he already said how fast it is.

Madara could defeat Aizen and his crew in multiple ways. He could send Limbos and wreck their shyt, make hundreds of shadow clones and overwhelm them with sheer numbers, use his extremely powerful perfect Susano which would, or just throw his TSBs and disintegrate the entire battlefield.
You're forgetting that Sasuke, Obito (who moves at lightspeed), and Itachi are in this fight.
Madara could wash all of them but there's no point arguing if he gets help from the other Uchiha. This is an overkill scenario.

 

[LordDeathwatch]

This shyt has been debated for years on nearly every major forum & platform with the only constant being there's no definitive solution.

Personally, I think the answer is clear and everyone else is struggling with the weight of the reality aka shikai. :MJ100_:

 

[Monoblock]

Came back in here from it being peaceful last night and I should've expected it. This debate is years old and everyone knows how I feel about both mangas/shows. But Aizen is washing all of the Uchihas by himself. Have them cats setting themselves on fire with Susanoo while chilling in his "good" chair.