An interview with Noam Chomsky on the Bad Faith Podcast is drawing strong reactions

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Bro - Nigeria wasn't fascist in the 70s - just authoritarian and broken apart through civil war and proxy warfare.

Fascism is corporatism taken to the absolute authoritarian extreme - most Americans don't have a perspective on fascism because of the unique way fascism develops.

You need corporate interests to completely override the entirety of the population's interests, followed by the crushing of all direct democratic bodies like unions, citizens councils, direct representatives, etc. This is then followed by mass austerity that destroys the population's economic power - with handouts to a small-cadre of right-wing aligned heads of enterprise - the right-wing ideology that predominates, the ethnic scapegoating and escalating violence, and the stranglehold on the population from indiscriminate policing and violence come third.

https://eastsidemarxism.files.wordp...al-fascism-and-the-overthrow-of-communism.pdf

Thanks for the link
 

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What's the excuse going to be in 2023 when dems have no Trump fascist to face?
Fascist are the new normal for republicans now, they’ve tasted blood and aren’t going to let it go willfully. The next Trump will be smart, articulate and the damn devil incarnate . :francis:
 

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Literally never said I supported Trump in office. Everyone is taking the post out of context.

The point is white liberals simply focus on issues like climate change (aka things that affect them) vs things that affect black people.

Notice how Noam brushes over any notions of systematic racism that is making our lives horrible under the reasoning that climate change is more important long term. It’s a bit disingenuous. Is all I’m saying.
How is climate change not important for black people. Don’t we live on this planet also, I’ve never understood this take:stopitslime:
 

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I’m with you 100. This issue is this same logic has been used by our parents & grandparents for the past 50+ years . Remember the vote or die campaign ?

The point is until we as a whole(You & I may realize it) acknowledge this the cycle will continue.

I believe that’s where a lot of the black “don’t vote” crowd is coming from. People tired of the same charade
If the don’t vote crowd voted in every single election they would see a lot more change. You can’t just vote in the presidential election and think everything will change. We need to have a humbling discussion about the willful ignorance of the don’t vote crowd and how to fix it:yeshrug:
 

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This clown thinks climate change doesnt effect black people

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How is climate change not important for black people. Don’t we live on this planet also, I’ve never understood this take:stopitslime:
The point is. Once in office - white liberals will hyperfocus on “more important” issues like climate change, yet ignore and marginalize systemic racism. It’s nuanced. We’re now at a stage where they will acknowledge it, but in terms of doing anything worthwhile nothing is happening. Bill Clinton did when he passed environmental protection acts just as he passed the Crime Bill.

Don’t try to reduce my point either - I did not say that climate change isn’t important for black people. Seriously, quote where I supposedly said that shyt.
 

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Why don't you think they can do both?progressive policies have always benefited us and moved us forward and benefited our cause.
 

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If the don’t vote crowd voted in every single election they would see a lot more change. You can’t just vote in the presidential election and think everything will change. We need to have a humbling discussion about the willful ignorance of the don’t vote crowd and how to fix it:yeshrug:
If the majority had it their way the “don’t vote crowd “ would just vote Democrat in every non presidential election regardless off candidates.
 

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If the majority had it their way the “don’t vote crowd “ would just vote Democrat in every non presidential election regardless off candidates.
In today’s current climate of politics when the opposition are literally fascist and a safe haven for domestic terrorists that would be to the majority’s benefit.
 

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Why don't you think they can do both?progressive policies have always benefited us and moved us forward and benefited our cause.
This. People who push for "not-voting" without producing alternatives are selling you a bill of goods.

If you aren't producing alternatives to housing for the homeless, to protect the community from violence, to ensure access to education and social services, to develop environmental protection projects - or to feed people. They're not really for you.
 

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Bro. I remember the Bush years. I was an adult for all but 2 of them.

This Trump era is a lot closer to fascism than that era...

Kids locked up in cages? Checks
Forced sterilizations? Check
Concentration/Internment Camps? Check
Ethnic Travel Bans? Check
Deportations? Check
Needless Mass Death? Check
Obsession with "Law & Order"? Check
Disdain towards the arts, humanities,and sciences? Check.
Racist gaslighting? Check.
Secret police forces disappearing protestors amd shooting moms in the head with rubber bullets? Check.


We're not at torture stage yet. Nor are we at the jailing of critics or political adversaries. You don't want to be. You don't want fascism.

You don't want you critical comment of Donald Trump to lead to a situation where you could be jailed and/or tortured.

You don't want to have to "show your papers" to some military goon with no badge and no identifying elements.

You don't want to have your President/leader side with secret military/police.

This is what I am talking about with Americans not understanding fascism. If you think that we are not more dangerously close to it now than in 2005...you are underestimating what it really is.
We already live in that society.

PATRIOT Act allowed warrantless wiretapping, expanded executive branch’s power

“you’re either with us or you’re against us”

plus the torture at CIA blacksitew/GITMO

Protestors are attacked by militarized police

police are militarized to murder average unarmed citizens


The list goes on, unfortunately
 

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This. People who push for "not-voting" without producing alternatives are selling you a bill of goods.

If you aren't producing alternatives to housing for the homeless, to protect the community from violence, to ensure access to education and social services, to develop environmental protection projects - or to feed people. They're not really for you.
I think a lot of these folks low key like these conservative policies because they’re selfish like these people but they don’t understand this doesn’t apply to them because they’re black. It’s one of the saddest thing to see an adult not understand they see us all the same and they’re hot air doesn’t apply to them:francis:
 

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Chomsky is a sheepdog, and nobody ever listens to anything he has to say til it’s time to herd said sheep. 70+ years of the same losing, race to the bottom strategy get's us what? Trump levels of failure....

Had we put a stop to the bullshyt before Noam became a senior citizen, we could have gone up against a greater evil that had much less to work with than Trump has been left with by his 'lesser' evil, supposedly harm reducing predecessors. Are we supposed to do this for 70 more years?

He's talking about "what about your grandchildren?" When a lot people in this generation have opted out of having kids all together because they DON'T SEE A fukkING FUTURE. How do you convince people to think about their hypothetical grand children when they can't afford a home to have any children first, or house the ones they do have without having to barely scrape by.
 
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:russ:For the longest time I did not know that when America actually landed in mainland Europe Germany was close to defeat because the Soviet Union threw 20 million bodies at em. 90% of all Nazi casualties were at the hands of Russians and we just swooped in for a few months barely lost any lives and were like :whew:this was tough.


That's smart if you ask me.

Why subsidize Russian gains with your own people/money?

Soon as someone brought smoke directly to US soil (Japan), they were on 10.
 
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