An interview with Noam Chomsky on the Bad Faith Podcast is drawing strong reactions

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These white liberals don’t give af about black people. They marginalize our struggles as “petty issues” and focus on the “big picture.”

BREHS TAKE NOTE: THEY HAVE A PLAN

Trump is trying to terraform US society right under your feet.

Trump has changed the courts for a generation.

Trump wants to rid the USA of affirmative action.

Trump is trying to change the education system to reduce the forces against right-wing politics in future generations.

Trump is trying to change immigration to "mejorar la raza" and bring in people more likely to be right-wing / anti non-whites.

Here Trump uses a WS dog-whistle about survival of the West

In Trump's own words:





"The conspiracy theory was developed by the neo-Nazi David Lane in his White Genocide Manifesto (c. 1995, origin of the later use of the term),[67][68][69][65] where he made the claim that the government policies of many Western countries had the intent of destroying white European culture and making white people an "extinct species"
White genocide conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

These Trumpists are not breh Trumpists.

These are white agitators who believe they are in a battle for "survival" and that Trump (and his movement) are their political savior .

Their jobs.. their lives revolve around this "battle" and they spam online non-stop to this end.

 

[Easy-E]

Voting for Biden as a preventative measure against Trump is a real thing - but she's right to question the actual extent of the difference between Trump and Biden - when outside of theatrics and open racism - they share a lot of core values.

Understood. I've never thought four more years of Trump was inconsequential.

Here's the problem; Most people WILL NOT take advantage of a Trump-less White House and the excuse of 2024 will be "Trump's Mess" was too much to clean up.

You can straight up say you're voting for Biden, but, be shouted down when addressing that he's not doing shyt about fracking...but apparently wants a Green New Deal.

I'd vote for Biden and Harris' trifling asses--NO problem--but, the people saying this is the Election of Our Lives (again) are going disappear by Feb. 2021 at the latest.

 

[EndDomination]

Americans have no perspective for fascism at all.

I mean we all learned about Hitler Nazi Germany in the Holocaust from middle school all the way from college but I don't think a lot of Americans absorbed the lessons from that tale in history cuz here we are as close to Fascism in America as possible and Americans are scared to call it what it is.

Only people who are survivors of fascism or whose families fled fascist countries would know what's up.

That's why me as a Nigerian I've been trying to warn this board for years of what's coming cuz that's what happened to Nigeria in the 70s

Bro - Nigeria wasn't fascist in the 70s - just authoritarian and broken apart through civil war and proxy warfare.

Fascism is corporatism taken to the absolute authoritarian extreme - most Americans don't have a perspective on fascism because of the unique way fascism develops.

You need corporate interests to completely override the entirety of the population's interests, followed by the crushing of all direct democratic bodies like unions, citizens councils, direct representatives, etc. This is then followed by mass austerity that destroys the population's economic power - with handouts to a small-cadre of right-wing aligned heads of enterprise - the right-wing ideology that predominates, the ethnic scapegoating and escalating violence, and the stranglehold on the population from indiscriminate policing and violence come third.

https://eastsidemarxism.files.wordp...al-fascism-and-the-overthrow-of-communism.pdf

 

[EndDomination]

Understood. I've never thought four more years of Trump was inconsequential.

Here's the problem; Most people WILL NOT take advantage of a Trump-less White House and the excuse of 2024 will be "Trump's Mess" was too much to clean up.

You can straight up say you're voting for Biden, but, be shouted down when addressing that he's not doing shyt about fracking...but apparently wants a Green New Deal.

I'd vote for Biden and Harris' trifling asses--NO problem--but, the people saying this is the Election of Our Lives (again) are going disappear by Feb. 2021 at the latest.

Oh absolutely - the liberals who were claiming they'd "storm the Congress and the White House" if Trump nominated Barrett on the night of RBG's death are already nowhere to be found.

The same truly progressive shift that was needed for Obama's first four years is *really* needed for Biden's first four - and I think we're all aware its never going to come.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

She's been making this point for like 6 years now - the point is that even at the extremes of the Trump Presidency the majority of the DNC refuses to budge on key issues.

Black people are getting slaughtered by the disease and they refuse to go all out for healthcare - a national showing of support for BLM has surprised the entire world - and they're still soft-shoeing on policing - corporations swallow up trillions in aid - and they refuse to cut them down.

She's saying (most of) the things activists have been saying for years - personally, I'm only voting for Biden because I need the National Labor Relations Board to have some rational people on it and the federal district courts are overrun with right-wing sycophants - but I can't say she's entirely wrong.

And the older black voters who are most directly affected by such a health crisis continue to flock en masse to those same people, so she's definitely not wrong on principle. But I still don't see how this is even up for debate for anyone.


Everything on the board becomes a pipe dream if Trump remains in office. Unless you can say the same for a Biden presidency, wtf are we even discussing?

 

[Easy-E]

Oh absolutely - the liberals who were claiming they'd "storm the Congress and the White House" if Trump nominated Barrett on the night of RBG's death are already nowhere to be found.

The same truly progressive shift that was needed for Obama's first four years is *really* needed for Biden's first four - and I think we're all aware its never going to come.

I am fukking done with Social Justice Warriors and Liberals. I'm done.

This country was supposed to change, after the Mike Brown uprisings and swoop comes down mfs like BLM (Deray, Netta), Feminism sees a boom as their are more white female millionaires and billionaires than ever, LGBT dominate the conversation to the point they are called the New Civil Rights Movements--COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that Black LBGTQ are dealing with a epidemic of STD's and homelessness as their counterparts enjoy a renews whiteness.

I've never wavered as a Democrat--I've voted 99%--but, this whole idea that Trump being gone will fix everything completely wipes away every lesson that should have been learned from 2008, Citizen's United, Edward Snowden, the emergence of Bezos and the Gig Economy.

Liberals don't want talk about none of this shyt.

 

[Oldschooler]

I am fukking done with Social Justice Warriors and Liberals. I'm done.

This country was supposed to change, after the Mike Brown uprisings and swoop comes down mfs like BLM (Deray, Netta), Feminism sees a boom as their are more white female millionaires and billionaires than ever, LGBT dominate the conversation to the point they are called the New Civil Rights Movements--COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that Black LBGTQ are dealing with a epidemic of STD's and homelessness as their counterparts enjoy a renews whiteness.

I've never wavered as a Democrat--I've voted 99%--but, this whole idea that Trump being gone will fix everything completely wipes away every lesson that should have been learned from 2008, Citizen's United, Edward Snowden, the emergence of Bezos and the Gig Economy.

Liberals don't want talk about none of this shyt.

You might also want to mention how a bunch of ADOS in the south got brainwashed and took down liberal progressives.

 

[Oldschooler]

And the older black voters who are most directly affected by such a health crisis continue to flock en masse to those same people, so she's definitely not wrong on principle. But I still don't see how this is even up for debate for anyone.


Everything on the board becomes a pipe dream if Trump remains in office. Unless you can say the same for a Biden presidency, wtf are we even discussing?

What's the excuse going to be in 2023 when dems have no Trump fascist to face?

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

What's the excuse going to be in 2023 when dems have no Trump fascist to face?

The problem is in viewing it as an "excuse" in the first place. It's not an excuse, it's a fact.

A broken clock is still right twice a day.



We can deal with the what ifs and the possibilities later. We know for certain what's in store with a Trump victory. And that actually includes another fascist in 2023. You think Republicans are going to become less unhinged than they already are if Trump stays in power??

 

[EndDomination]

And the older black voters who are most directly affected by such a health crisis continue to flock en masse to those same people, so she's definitely not wrong on principle. But I still don't see how this is even up for debate for anyone.


Everything on the board becomes a pipe dream if Trump remains in office. Unless you can say the same for a Biden presidency, wtf are we even discussing?

I think the thing is - for those who are disenchanted - there is the awareness that everything *may* be a pipedream with a Biden Presidency.

There's a chance he may renege on most of what he's promised - and may be blocked by a Republican-controlled Senate and SCOTUS on the rest. Its not far-fetched at all - its actually quite likely.

But I'm not willing to take the chance, honestly.

 

[I Really Mean It]

Black Americans have been living under fascism since our ancestors were shipped here 400 years ago. I’m tired of cowards treating Trump as an anomaly, some aberrant mishap in the democratic project that isn’t consistent with the history of this nation, as if his presidency poses a unique brand of terror to black America. It’s insulting to every black man and woman who has suffered through the Atlantic slave trade, reconstruction, Jim Crow and our present system of apartheid.

 

[Oldschooler]

The problem is in viewing it as an "excuse" in the first place. It's not an excuse, it's a fact.

A broken clock is still right twice a day.



We can deal with the what ifs and the possibilities later. We know for certain what's in store with a Trump victory. And that actually includes another fascist in 2023. You think Republicans are going to become less unhinged than they already are if Trump stays in power??

I called it an excuse because it feels like dems or their supporters are begging for the portion of the black disenchanted vote. I voted dems every election nothing has changed. Like others mentioned we have lived 400 years with fascism another 4 years of Trump don't mean shyt when the problem was RGB didn't want to step down. Now it's already too late win or lose. The supreme court appointment does the biggest damage for our future. Whatever else that moron does will get reversed quickly under the right leadership. I think dems need to be taught a lesson they have never done enough and have always rode the coattails of fear from the other party winning.

 

[Easy-E]

You might also want to mention how a bunch of ADOS in the south got brainwashed and took down liberal progressives.

Speak on it. I think I know what you're talking about.

 

[5n0man]

For the longest time I did not know that when America actually landed in mainland Europe Germany was close to defeat because the Soviet Union threw 20 million bodies at em. 90% of all Nazi casualties were at the hands of Russians and we just swooped in for a few months barely lost any lives and were like this was tough.

The only reason America felt the need to get involved when the nazi's were on the brink of defeat is because America wanted to get their hands on whatever Nazi research and scientists that the Russians hadn't already got to.

A big reason the U.S. was in a rush to end the war with japan with nuclear weapons is because Russia announced that they would join the fight against japan once Germany was defeated. The U.S. wanted all the Japanese research for themselves so they had to end it before Russia could step foot in Japan.


shyt led to the cold war.

 

[Unknown Poster]

Also the idea that America is further on long on a slide toward fascism than we were in 2005 is laughable -

Bro. I remember the Bush years. I was an adult for all but 2 of them.

This Trump era is a lot closer to fascism than that era...

Kids locked up in cages? Checks
Forced sterilizations? Check
Concentration/Internment Camps? Check
Ethnic Travel Bans? Check
Deportations? Check
Needless Mass Death? Check
Obsession with "Law & Order"? Check
Disdain towards the arts, humanities,and sciences? Check.
Racist gaslighting? Check.
Secret police forces disappearing protestors amd shooting moms in the head with rubber bullets? Check.


We're not at torture stage yet. Nor are we at the jailing of critics or political adversaries. You don't want to be. You don't want fascism.

You don't want you critical comment of Donald Trump to lead to a situation where you could be jailed and/or tortured.

You don't want to have to "show your papers" to some military goon with no badge and no identifying elements.

You don't want to have your President/leader side with secret military/police.

This is what I am talking about with Americans not understanding fascism. If you think that we are not more dangerously close to it now than in 2005...you are underestimating what it really is.