An interview with Noam Chomsky on the Bad Faith Podcast is drawing strong reactions

[6CertsAndAMovie]

Bro - Nigeria wasn't fascist in the 70s - just authoritarian and broken apart through civil war and proxy warfare.

Fascism is corporatism taken to the absolute authoritarian extreme - most Americans don't have a perspective on fascism because of the unique way fascism develops.

You need corporate interests to completely override the entirety of the population's interests, followed by the crushing of all direct democratic bodies like unions, citizens councils, direct representatives, etc. This is then followed by mass austerity that destroys the population's economic power - with handouts to a small-cadre of right-wing aligned heads of enterprise - the right-wing ideology that predominates, the ethnic scapegoating and escalating violence, and the stranglehold on the population from indiscriminate policing and violence come third.

https://eastsidemarxism.files.wordp...al-fascism-and-the-overthrow-of-communism.pdf

that's interesting I think ibb and abacha meets several of the qualifications but not all of them what would that be referred to as

 

[CodeKansas]

Understood. I've never thought four more years of Trump was inconsequential.

Here's the problem; Most people WILL NOT take advantage of a Trump-less White House and the excuse of 2024 will be "Trump's Mess" was too much to clean up.

You can straight up say you're voting for Biden, but, be shouted down when addressing that he's not doing shyt about fracking...but apparently wants a Green New Deal.

I'd vote for Biden and Harris' trifling asses--NO problem--but, the people saying this is the Election of Our Lives (again) are going disappear by Feb. 2021 at the latest.

fukk nikka, get this logic and educated guessing shyt the fukk out of here.


All jokes aside, you're right. The bolded especially. This is how they'd string the goofies along for the next election cycle if they win in November.

But the second you gainsay a Democrat on this board, you're a Trump supporter.

 

[Unknown Poster]

Bro - Nigeria wasn't fascist in the 70s - just authoritarian and broken apart through civil war and proxy warfare.

A better assessment.

Still. Fascism and authoritarianism are things you do not want.

 

[Unknown Poster]

Black Americans have been living under fascism since our ancestors were shipped here 400 years ago.

Ive been saying this for years.

Fascism in Nazi, Germany was modeled after the Jim Crow era South.

 

[Easy-E]

fukk nikka, get this logic and educated guessing shyt the fukk out of here.


All jokes aside, you're right. The bolded especially. This is how they'd string the goofies along for the next election cycle if they win in November.

But the second you gainsay a Democrat on this board, you're a Trump supporter.

People are still gonna be throwing Agent and Trump Supporter for atleats another two years after this muhfukka outta office.

Prediction; Democrats will start fear mongering about Trump running again in 2024.



Respected publications are really tryna get off this "Trump is the 3rd Reich" shyt to scare us into voting.

I'm surprised Jewish people let that "Trump = Hitler" shyt slide.

 

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These white liberals don’t give af about black people. They marginalize our struggles as “petty issues” and focus on the “big picture.”

 

[King]

Literally never said I supported Trump in office. Everyone is taking the post out of context.

The point is white liberals simply focus on issues like climate change (aka things that affect them) vs things that affect black people.

Notice how Noam brushes over any notions of systematic racism that is making our lives horrible under the reasoning that climate change is more important long term. It’s a bit disingenuous. Is all I’m saying.

 

[Spliff]

Didn't sound like Chomsky "lost" on those two clips.

 

[KamikazePilot]

This thread is full of reactionary takes and fear mongering

 

[BaggerofTea]

Literally never said I supported Trump in office. Everyone is taking the post out of context.

The point is white liberals simply focus on issues like climate change (aka things that affect them) vs things that affect black people.

Notice how Noam brushes over any notions of systematic racism that is making our lives horrible under the reasoning that climate change is more important long term. It’s a bit disingenuous. Is all I’m saying.

This clown thinks climate change doesnt effect black people

 

[The God Poster]

What is this lady talking about???

The Democratic Party needs some big reworking for sure but at this point, we need all we can take to make sure Trump doesn't win another four years and add more irreversible damage to the country.

I’m with you 100. This issue is this same logic has been used by our parents & grandparents for the past 50+ years . Remember the vote or die campaign ?

The point is until we as a whole(You & I may realize it) acknowledge this the cycle will continue.

I believe that’s where a lot of the black “don’t vote” crowd is coming from. People tired of the same charade

 

[Mowgli]

Noam tryna debate a black woman.

O that's rich.

Please know your limitations. Stick to academic scholars

 

[desjardins]

This that bernie trap again
No matter who is right the optics of an old white man telling a black woman she's wrong ain't going sit right with some people

 

[EndDomination]

Bro. I remember the Bush years. I was an adult for all but 2 of them.

This Trump era is a lot closer to fascism than that era...

Kids locked up in cages? Checks
Forced sterilizations? Check
Concentration/Internment Camps? Check
Ethnic Travel Bans? Check
Deportations? Check
Needless Mass Death? Check
Obsession with "Law & Order"? Check
Disdain towards the arts, humanities,and sciences? Check.
Racist gaslighting? Check.
Secret police forces disappearing protestors amd shooting moms in the head with rubber bullets? Check.


We're not at torture stage yet. Nor are we at the jailing of critics or political adversaries. You don't want to be. You don't want fascism.

You don't want you critical comment of Donald Trump to lead to a situation where you could be jailed and/or tortured.

You don't want to have to "show your papers" to some military goon with no badge and no identifying elements.

You don't want to have your President/leader side with secret military/police.

This is what I am talking about with Americans not understanding fascism. If you think that we are not more dangerously close to it now than in 2005...you are underestimating what it really is.

There was quite a bit of this:

The monitoring of every mosque in America, the kidnapping of activists, the reintroduction of travel restrictions, mass death, racist gaslighting disguised as religious conservatism, secret police, the defunding of education and arts programs, deportations and internment camps all existed at that time - not to mention the US was actively flouting every international treaty preventing asymmetrical warfare - killing literally hundreds of thousands of people, and reintroducing military imperialism in Africa and the Middle East.

We were already torturing - and the literal legal structure used to justify all of it came from Carl Schmitt the Nazi legal academic - who John Yoo was a fan of.

The media suppression of national jail and prison strikes, the continued killings of Black men and women in poverty, the corruption that undermined the Black community's wealth, the mass graves that were found in Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico - this all happened in the Bush years.

It was 15-20 years ago so a lot of people have forgotten - but it was a horrible, horrible time.

 

[EndDomination]

Noam tryna debate a black woman.

O that's rich.

Please know your limitations. Stick to academic scholars

BJG is a lawyer, journalist, and writer - it's not as if she's a hack - but she is running on specific energy that is unnecessarily antagonistic at times with the electoral establishment.