An Actual NUBIAN man writes a letter to hoteps/ankhs who culturally appropriate his people

[Bawon Samedi]

@Poitier , what is @KidStranglehold 's ethnicity/race?

@KidStranglehold 's statement:

Meanwhile the irony is when it comes to the STR for the 18th dynasty family modern day Horners, Egyptians, Northern Sudanese and Levantine lag behind tremendously. Their clades back then didn't exist yet... ​

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This moron is using nonsense to cape for Horners, Arab Egyptians, Arab Sudanese and Levantine and imply the Ancient Egyptian STR analysis underserves them. That assertion is bogus. The STRs of all the above people were never black and are not black now (well except the Horners whom have some STR match with the Egyptians, I think there would be more if the Horner population wasn't so..err.."diverse"). There is no more invalidity in the Ancient Egyptian's not being one of them than invalidity in the Ancient Egyptian's being cac or Asian.​

I can now fully confirm that you are mentally retarded.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I seriously doubt this.

Egypt, Ancient Thebes, Shaykh 'Abd al-Qurnah, mural painting of nubian mercenaries
Credit: DEA / M. CARRIERI
Creative #: 82127154
Egypt - Ancient Thebes (UNESCO World Heritage List, 1979). Shaykh 'Abd al-Qurnah (Abd el-Qurna). Tomb of army commander Thanuny. Nubian mercenaries. Mural paintings, 1425-1408 BC

Various pharaohs of Nubian origin are held by some Egyptologists to have played an important part towards the area in different eras of Egyptian history, particularly the 12th Dynasty. These rulers handled matters in typical Egyptian fashion, reflecting the close cultural influences between the two regions.

...the XIIth Dynasty (1991–1786 B.C.E.) originated from the Aswan region. As expected, strong Nubian features and dark coloring are seen in their sculpture and relief work. This dynasty ranks as among the greatest, whose fame far outlived its actual tenure on the throne. Especially interesting, it was a member of this dynasty that decreed that no Nehsy (riverine Nubian of the principality of Kush), except such as came for trade or diplomatic reasons, should pass by the Egyptian fortress and cops at the southern end of the Second Nile Cataract. Why would this royal family of Nubian ancestry ban other Nubians from coming into Egyptian territory? Because the Egyptian rulers of Nubian ancestry had become Egyptians culturally; as pharaohs, they exhibited typical Egyptian attitudes and adopted typical Egyptian policies. (Yurco 1989) [2
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Nubia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/JSH/JSH1988/JSH1502/jsh1502b.pdf​

This how the people of "Ta Seti depicted themselves.

Modern North Sudanese near Egyptian border, looks exactly like the art work

Indeed southerners were depicted in the ancient art, which is obvious both friend and foe and depends on the group. The were from the mythological people of "Yam", which make sense and it was reported the lived beyond the cataracts.

as far as them being the pyramids builders i seriously doubt that. Maybe they were part of the civilization, but definitely not the main component..Because majority of the the statues in both Egypt and the National museum in Khartoum look most similar to the present population in both North Sudan and Egypt today, but southerners and others were depicted as well.


Cheers

Okay? You posted a bunch of pics of people of Sudan and used some of them to compare to modern Sudanese. Now specially tell me WHICH Ancient Nubian ethnic they belonged to. Remember there was no "Nubian people."

And no they were not from "Yam", Yam is hinted to be in Chad.

 

[Mason83]

@Mason83 i see your monkey ass was doing a lot of dapping in this thread.

dont you claim to be a viking?

My ancestors are from Scandinavia. So logically , they probably were Vikings lol.

 

[Misreeya]

Southern Sudanese there are hints they came from

Egyptian art also depicts a regional distinction in Nubian physical types.24 During the Old and Middle Kingdoms, Egyptian rule extended to around the third cataract. Nubians are portrayed with skin of varying shades of darkness, distinctive dress and the facial features of an Egyptian. When the New Kingdom extended its rule south beyond the fourth cataract, there was a corresponding change in the artist’s portrayal of the Nubian. The Southerners are shown with distinct Negroid features—dark skin, everted lips, prognathous jaws and kinkyhair (See Figure 10). All of the ancient Nubian wrestlers share a physiognomic similarity to the south-Nubian Negroes alluded to in the Egyptian sources. The suggestion that the ancient Nubian wrestlers came from regions to the south of the fourth cataract seems to be confirmed by anthropological evidence.25 Archaeologists examined a burial site at Gebel Moya and other hills in the Gezira of Sudan where remains date back to earlier than the twenty-fifth dynasty in Egypt. According to one of the archaeologists, “the cemeteries of this site have yielded the remains of a tall coarsely built Negro or Negroid race with extraordinarily massive skulls and jaws."26 There is a strong possibility that the southern Nubians portrayed in the wrestling scenes came from this part of the Sudan. Anthropologists further suggest that the Negro type of the Gezira
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The suggestion that the ancient Nubian wrestlers came from regions to the south of the fourth cataract seems to be confirmed by anthropological evidence.25 Archaeologists examined a burial site at Gebel Moya and other hills in the Gezira of Sudan where remains date back to earlier than the twenty-fifth dynasty in Egypt. According to one of the archaeologists, “the cemeteries of this site have yielded the remains of a tall coarsely built Negro or Negroid race with extraordinarily massive skulls and jaws."26 There is a strong possibility that the southern Nubians portrayed in the wrestling scenes came from this part of the Sudan. Anthropologists further suggest that the Negro type of the Gezir hills immigrated to the Nuba hills of southern Kordofan. The image of the tall, dark and extremely muscular Nubian is strikingly reminiscent of the Nuba of southern Kordofan in the Sudan. These people have remained sheltered in the remote hill country from outside influences and are surrounded by people that are physically and linguistically different from them.27 Indeed, of the various people in the Sudan, none would seem better fit to be the descendants of the ancient Nubian wrestlers than those of the Nuba hill tribes of southern Kordofan
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Gebel Moya/Gezira

The suggestion that the ancient Nubian wrestlers came from regions to the south of the fourth cataract seems to be confirmed by anthropological evidence.25 Archaeologists examined a burial site at Gebel Moya and other hills in the Gezira of Sudan where remains date back to earlier than the twenty-fifth dynasty in Egypt. According to one of the archaeologists, “the cemeteries of this site have yielded the remains of a tall coarsely built Negro or Negroid race with extraordinarily massive skulls and jaws."26 There is a strong possibility that the southern Nubians portrayed in the wrestling scenes came from this part of the Sudan
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Wellcome Film of the Month: A day at Gebel Moya, 1912-13


Possible areas where the kingdom of Yam Located.

Where Was the Mysterious Kingdom of Yam?

Egypt: The Yam of Egypt's Old Kingdom

 

[Misreeya]

Ta Seti

Ta-Seti (Land of the bow, also Ta Khentit, Borderland) was the first nome (administrative division) of Upper Egypt, one of 42 nomoi in Ancient Egypt.[1][2][3][4][5][6] Ta-Seti also marked the border area towards Nubia

The Ta-Seti people and their identity is still trying to be deciphered. Today from what is known they are believed to have spoken a Nilo-Saharan language.[

Ta-Seti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nome (Egypt) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Upper Egypt[edit]
Number Egyptian Name Capital Modern Capital Translation
1 Ta-Seti Abu / Yebu (Elephantine) Aswan Land of the bow
2 Wetjes-Hor Djeba (Apollonopolis Magna) Edfu Throne of Horus
3 Nekhen Nekhen (Hierakonpolis) al-Kab Shrine
4 Waset Niwt-rst / Waset (Thebes) Karnak Sceptre
5 Herui Gebtu (Coptos) Qift The two falcons
6 Iqer Iunet / Tantere (Tentyra) Dendera The crocodile
7 Seshesh Seshesh (Diospolis Parva) Hu Sistrum

Most surprising, evidence that early pharaohs ruled in A-Group Nubia was discovered by the Oriental Institute at Qustul, almost at the modern Sudanese border. A cemetery of large tombs contained evidence of wealth and representations of the rulers and their victories. Other representations and monuments could then be identified, and in the process, a lost kingdom, calledTa-Seti or Land of the Bow, was discovered. In fact, the cemetery at Qustul leads directly to the first great royal monuments of Egypt in a progression. Qustul in Nubia could well have been the seat of Egypt's founding dynasty.

Many Egyptologists believe that Amenemhet's inscription implies that a great ruler will come to the throne of Egypt upon the death of Mentuhotep IV, who will lead the country into prosperity. It is fairly certain that Amenemhet the vizier was predicting his own rise to the throne as Amenemhet I. However, we are told that he had at least two other competitors to the throne. One was called Inyotef, and the other a Segerseni from Nubia. It would appear that he quickly dealt with these obstacles.

Amenemhet was probably the son of a woman named Nofret (Nefret), from Elephantine near modern Aswan, and a priest called Senusret, according to an inscription at Thebes. So his origins are probably southern Egypt.

Egypt: Amenemhat I, 1st King of the 12th Dynasty
The Nubia Salvage Project | The Oriental Institute of the University of Chicago

Various pharaohs of Nubian origin are held by some Egyptologists to have played an important part towards the area in different eras of Egyptian history, particularly the 12th Dynasty. These rulers handled matters in typical Egyptian fashion, reflecting the close cultural influences between the two regions.

...the XIIth Dynasty (1991–1786 B.C.E.) originated from the Aswan region. As expected, strong Nubian features and dark coloring are seen in their sculpture and relief work. This dynasty ranks as among the greatest, whose fame far outlived its actual tenure on the throne. Especially interesting, it was a member of this dynasty that decreed that no Nehsy (riverine Nubian of the principality of Kush), except such as came for trade or diplomatic reasons, should pass by the Egyptian fortress and cops at the southern end of the Second Nile Cataract. Why would this royal family of Nubian ancestry ban other Nubians from coming into Egyptian territory? Because the Egyptian rulers of Nubian ancestry had become Egyptians culturally; as pharaohs, they exhibited typical Egyptian attitudes and adopted typical Egyptian policies

Nubia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rulers of 12th dynasty.

RULERS

Known rulers of the Twelfth Dynasty are as follows:

DYNASTY XII PHARAOHS OF EGYPT NAME OF KING HORUS (THRONE) NAME DATE PYRAMID QUEEN(S)

Amenemhat I Sehetepibre 1991 BC - 1962 BC Pyramid of Amenemhet I Queen Neferitatjenen

Senusret I (Sesostris I) Kheperkare 1971 BC - 1926 BC Pyramid of Senusret I Queen Neferu III

Amenemhat II Nubkhaure 1929 BC - 1895 BC White Pyramid Queen Kaneferu Queen Keminub ?

Senusret II (Sesostris II) Khakheperre 1897 BC - 1878 BC Pyramid at El-Lahun Queen Khenemetneferhedjet I Queen Neferet II Queen Itaweret ? Queen Khnemet

Senusret III (Sesostris III) Khakaure 1878 BC - 1839 BC Pyramid at Dahshur Queen Meretseger Queen Neferthenut Queen Khnemetneferhedjet II Queen Sithathoriunet

Amenemhat III Nimaatre 1860 BC - 1814 BC Black Pyramid ; Pyramid at Hawara Queen Aat Queen Hetepi Queen Khenemetneferhedjet III

Amenemhat IV Maakherure 1815 BC - 1806 BC Southern Mazghuna pyramid (conjectural)

Queen Sobekneferu Sobekkare 1806 BC - 1802 BC Northern Mazghuna pyramid (conjectural)

. As expected, strong Nubian features and dark coloring are seen in their sculpture and relief work. This dynasty ranks as among the greatest, whose fame far outlived its actual tenure on the throne.

How they depict themselves

Egyptian Dynasty 12 | Keyword | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art

Twelfth Dynasty of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nubia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Harry B]

Why are you dissing Nicki? She is an extremely successful pop star from the hood, where are these "too many". There's like 5 Nickis in the world at most.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Is there a point to the utter hatred of people who wish to claim a culture they can be proud of?

I wonder this because every single white person alive today claims Vikings or Rome.

Are even 20% of them descendants of the vikings or romans? No. Do 100% claim them? Yes. Why?

I don't know any white person who claims Rome or "the Vikings." White people have an outsized pride about their ethnic heritage and most of those lineages (Irish, Scots, Germans, Saxons) stem from the Barbaric tribes.

 

[Crayola Coyote]

Another thread made by femenist

 

[Samori Toure]

I don't know any white person who claims Rome or "the Vikings." White people have an outsized pride about their ethnic heritage and most of those lineages (Irish, Scots, Germans, Saxons) stem from the Barbaric tribes.

Where the fukk you been. White people claimed Rome, Greece; Hell they even claimed Egypt. That is the one thing that White people always do. They claim somebody else's shyt.

Mind you now White people are not from any of those places, but they still claimed them.

 

[MegaManX]

I don't know any white person who claims Rome or "the Vikings." White people have an outsized pride about their ethnic heritage and most of those lineages (Irish, Scots, Germans, Saxons) stem from the Barbaric tribes.

Then you just don't know anything. Literally hundreds of roman and viking movies and video games a year. Every single person in my industry is so proud of these cultures. You don't know because you don't study white people. Unlike you, I have to have a broad customer base so I add things in my game that hint those cultures and they subliminally like it without even putting any white people in the game at all.

 

[Michael's Black Son]

fukkin hilarious

 

[#SOG_soldier]

Said the Muslim with a Arab name

Islam in Africa predates slavery. Just like christianity in Africa also predates slavery.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

Then you just don't know anything. Literally hundreds of roman and viking movies and video games a year. Every single person in my industry is so proud of these cultures. You don't know because you don't study white people. Unlike you, I have to have a broad customer base so I add things in my game that hint those cultures and they subliminally like it without even putting any white people in the game at all.

I'm not talking about video games and movies you ego inflated asshat. In video games and movies Egyptians are white so move the fukk around. I'm talking the real world. In the real world, your average white person is not claiming Roman descent unless they are Italian. White people are proud of their Irish/Scot/German/Saxon heritage. Don't confuse typical white washing with actual claiming of white washed culture.

 

[Nomad1]

What, still no explanation from the crowd saying AAs have an obsession with Egypt for why modern Horners, Northern Sudanese and Egyptians lag behind even West Africans in MLI scores?

Still waiting.

who gives a fukk. Horners already come from an area with many empires. AAs are completely obsessed with Ancient Egypt and not with other African Kingdoms/Empires.

 

[iBrowse]

so the dude who wrote that is a stone cold fakkit


so he lust over black american men but got the nerve to write this shyt

Yeah I took one 20 second scroll through his tumblr and I need a cold fukking shower .