An Actual NUBIAN man writes a letter to hoteps/ankhs who culturally appropriate his people

[Bawon Samedi]

Like I said, I use genes to map migration.

You mean gene map migrations like this one which shows your precious E-M2/Eb1ba being from Northeast Africa?

How are the AE not Northeast African again?

And since you ignored most of my post, especially the one on Nubians(who are Northeast African) also wearing leopard skin, I think its fair to ignore most of yours too.

 

[godkiller]

There is no such thing as "black genes" Mr.Laymen. We do know how the people of Ancient Egypt formed its called looking at migration which you ignore.

But more importantly I forgot that you do not see Northeast Africa as African. You also forget that Nilotic people. These people.

Are Northeast African. And do you even know what "affinity" means. But anyways prove that Ancient Egyptians are from South, Central or West Africa. And prove that their culture, religion and genes are from those locations. And use academic sources.

These people are called Great Lakes Africans, whom I already included. You seem to be confusing Northeast African, which today includes people like Somalis and Arabs, with Great Lakes Africans, which includes Nilotics.

And btw King Ramses III e1b1a is from Northeast Africa just to let you know.

Nope, e1b1a is principally found in West/Central Africa. It is not found elsewhere. Thence I logically assume it comes from West/Central Africa.

 

[godkiller]

You mean gene map migrations like this one which shows your precious E-M2/Eb1ba being from Northeast Africa?

How are the AE not Northeast African again?

And since you ignored most of my post, especially the one on Nubians(who are Northeast African) also wearing leopard skin, I think its fair to ignore most of yours too.

I don't know what this picture is supposed to mean. It doesn't prove anything so stop posting it. If you disagree with my e1b1a origin, you must explain why e1b1a only exists in West/central Africa and not in the East. Normally geneticists map origins by looking at the populations with the highest of said haplogroup and then estimating that the haplogroup began in that population. In this case the population with the highest % are West/Central Africans.

Also, Nilotic and Nubians are Great Lakes Africans, not "Northeast African". I have never heard that term used in reference to an African group in genetics discussion. The DNATribes.com article doesn't use "Northeast African" term; it uses Great Lakes African so as to distinguish between Nilotics, Somalis, Arabs, etc. Great Lakes Africans are Central/Southern Africans at base.

 

[Concerning VIolence]

Another fake ass AA/non-AA outrage thread.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

These people are called Great Lakes Africans, whom I already included. You seem to be confusing Northeast African, which today includes people like Somalis and Arabs, with Great Lakes Africans, which includes Nilotics.

I been freaking screaming this at you a million times, but instead you kept ignoring everything I said while repeating the same stuff you were saying. I'm not confusing crap, but its you that is. You're problem is that you look at Northeast Africa as some mixed non-black region. Arabs are not indigenous to Northeast Africa because their linage are NOT. Either way Northeast Africa doesn't just mean Somalia and Ethiopia and Egypt. It also means Southern Sudan. Southern Sudanese or Nilotic speakers represent a very ancient population of Northeast Africans. They lived on the Nile Valley longer than everyone else has. Back then they were more widespread than they are now. The Ancient Egyptians had more in common with modern Nilotic speakers than modern Niger-Congo and Afro-Asiatic speakers from their DNA, culture(semi-nomadic cattle culture), religion, way they built their huts,etc. And so thug they were NORTHEAST AFRICN. Get what I am saying now? I wasn't saying the Ancient Egyptians were more related to Arabs which you were most likely thinking.

Nope, e1b1a is principally found in West/Central Africa. It is not found elsewhere. Thence I logically assume it comes from West/Central Africa.

Clearly reading is not your best attributes. Again E1b1a or E-M2 arose in Northeast Africa, but then was distributed into West Africa after the drying of the desert. Do I have to dumb it down and post pics?

The one King Ramses the third had was most likely remnants of the ones found in the Eastern Sahara or Egypt. E1b1a is still found in Egypt.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I don't know what this picture is supposed to mean. It doesn't prove anything so stop posting it. If you disagree with my e1b1a origin, you must explain why e1b1a only exists in West/central Africa and not in the East. Normally geneticists map origins by looking at the populations with the highest of said haplogroup and then estimating that the haplogroup began in that population. In this case the population with the highest % are West/Central Africans.

I don't have to stop posting crap and I don't have to agree with anything you say because you don't know what you're talking about. I already told you what the map means and that it is showing the migration out of Northeast Africa of E-M2/E1b1a.

And that's not how the map the origins of haplogroups otherwise E-M81 found in Berbers would be of Northwest African origins and not Northeast African origin where it came from. Oh wait I forgot you're a laymen trying to act like he always knew these type of topics.

Also, Nilotic and Nubians are Great Lakes Africans, not "Northeast African". I have never heard that term used in reference to an African group in genetics discussion. The DNATribes.com article doesn't use "Northeast African" term; it uses Great Lakes African so as to distinguish between Nilotics, Somalis, Arabs, etc. Great Lakes Africans are Central/Southern Africans at base.

That's because your a laymen. And now Nubia and Nilotics are no longer Northeast African when they originated there????????

I'm done with you...

 

[Yehuda]

What exactly did his post accomplish?

Nothing and for some strange reason I find it hard to believe the person who typed that is really Nubian but whatever.

"Not to mention that we happen to be a strongly matrilineal society, meaning that inheritance, descent and lineage are traced through the mother. Can you handle that? LMAO!" What does this have to do with anything?

 

[godkiller]

I been freaking screaming this at you a million times, but instead you kept ignoring everything I said while repeating the same stuff you were saying. I'm not confusing crap, but its you that is. You're problem is that you look at Northeast Africa as some mixed non-black region. Arabs are not indigenous to Northeast Africa because their linage are NOT. Either way Northeast Africa doesn't just mean Somalia and Ethiopia and Egypt. It also means Southern Sudan. Southern Sudanese or Nilotic speakers represent a very ancient population of Northeast Africans. They lived on the Nile Valley longer than everyone else has. Back then they were more widespread than they are now. The Ancient Egyptians had more in common with modern Nilotic speakers than modern Niger-Congo and Afro-Asiatic speakers from their DNA, culture(semi-nomadic cattle culture), religion, way they built their huts,etc. And so thug they were NORTHEAST AFRICN. Get what I am saying now? I wasn't saying the Ancient Egyptians were more related to Arabs which you were most likely thinking.

Now you're misrepresenting your argument. I included Great Lakes Africans from the outset and all you've done is argued against it including but not limited to your "Northeast African" assertions. Behold what I said and you have argued against since the beginning:

Also, since the Ancient Egyptians were Southern African/Great Lakes African/West African/Central African mixed--as proven by DNATribes.com genetic analysis on Pharaoh Ramses--all blacks can claim them.
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You should learn genetic nomenclature before you engage in arguments about genetics. In the African Great Lakes nomenclature the Nilotic are included but not Somalia, Ethiopia, etc. These people are not the same as Great Lakes Africans and the Ancient Egyptians weren't primarily them . Moving on, the Great Lakes African people originally straddle the Great African Lakes, which is Central/Southern Africa, precisely some of the places I said the Egyptians hail from, the other being West Africa. So the Ancient Egyptians were:

"the Ancient Egyptians were Southern African/Great Lakes African/West African/Central African mixed--as proven by DNATribes.com genetic analysis on Pharaoh Ramses--all blacks can claim them.
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Clearly reading is not your best attributes. Again E1b1a or E-M2 arose in Northeast Africa, but then was distributed into West Africa after the drying of the desert. Do I have to dumb it down and post pics?

The one King Ramses the third had was most likely remnants of the ones found in the Eastern Sahara or Egypt. E1b1a is still found in Egypt.

I read your argument and reject it and your map which proves nothing. Your saying Eb1b1a comes from East Africa is not proof it does! The same cacs who say eb1b1a originated from East Africa also told me Ancient Egyptians weren't black. I respect evidence and nothing else. If eb1b1a originated from East Africa, there would be populations in East Africa with heavy eb1b1a predominance. There is no such population, so the assumption is that E1b1a did not originate in East Africa. E1b1a is NOT found in heavy predominace in Egypt at all. These are the peoples whom have high E1b1a incidences and these are whom the Ramses' E1b1a is LOGICALLY hypothesized to originate from​

 

[Misreeya]

People in this thread are saying "militants" or "hoteps" are in their feelings, and yet all I am mostly seeing is slick comments thrown at African-Americans. Funny.

While I agree with most of what the guy said in the letter, he shouldn't get cocky, because for one the term "Nubian" was just a generalized term for people south of Kemet. It was never used by the Egyptians or people south of Egypt. There was never a "Nubian" people. The term was coined by the Romans themselves(so how can we be stealing the term from a people when those same people never created the term), but more importantly yes the term was indeed synonymous with "black." It meant the dark skinned black people south of Kemet.

And even more importantly you modern day Nubians/Northern Sudanese should not get so cocky, becuse you guys yourselves hardy descend from the Ancient "Nubians" like the Kushyte, but instead your linage only maybe goes back to after the fall of the Kush Empire after it was destroyed by the Axum Empire. You guys come from desert nomads who migrated to that area after the fall.

Instead the Kushyte people(the ones who built those fancy pyramids in Sudan) were most likely more similar to modern day Dinka people. I mean the Dinka people originated in Central Sudan which was where the Kushyte Empire began. Exactly what is so different about their way of life? Dinka are semi-agricultural pastoralists. So were the Kushytes. Dinka revered their cattle. So did the Kushytes. Yes, the languages of the Dinka and Kushytes may be different but they are still closely related. Though as time went on the Kushyte empire did absorb other Nubians who were more elongated/lighter in appearances.

And for those saying African-Americans have a weird obsession with Nile Valley civilization. Please answer to these STR results...


Meanwhile the irony is when it comes to the STR for the 18th dynasty family modern day Horners, Egyptians, Northern Sudanese and Levantine lag behind tremendously. Their clades back then didn't exist yet...

Yeah I went there.

I seriously doubt this.

Egypt, Ancient Thebes, Shaykh 'Abd al-Qurnah, mural painting of nubian mercenaries
Credit: DEA / M. CARRIERI
Creative #: 82127154
Egypt - Ancient Thebes (UNESCO World Heritage List, 1979). Shaykh 'Abd al-Qurnah (Abd el-Qurna). Tomb of army commander Thanuny. Nubian mercenaries. Mural paintings, 1425-1408 BC

Various pharaohs of Nubian origin are held by some Egyptologists to have played an important part towards the area in different eras of Egyptian history, particularly the 12th Dynasty. These rulers handled matters in typical Egyptian fashion, reflecting the close cultural influences between the two regions.

...the XIIth Dynasty (1991–1786 B.C.E.) originated from the Aswan region. As expected, strong Nubian features and dark coloring are seen in their sculpture and relief work. This dynasty ranks as among the greatest, whose fame far outlived its actual tenure on the throne. Especially interesting, it was a member of this dynasty that decreed that no Nehsy (riverine Nubian of the principality of Kush), except such as came for trade or diplomatic reasons, should pass by the Egyptian fortress and cops at the southern end of the Second Nile Cataract. Why would this royal family of Nubian ancestry ban other Nubians from coming into Egyptian territory? Because the Egyptian rulers of Nubian ancestry had become Egyptians culturally; as pharaohs, they exhibited typical Egyptian attitudes and adopted typical Egyptian policies. (Yurco 1989) [2
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Nubia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/JSH/JSH1988/JSH1502/jsh1502b.pdf​

This how the people of "Ta Seti depicted themselves.

Modern North Sudanese near Egyptian border, looks exactly like the art work

Indeed southerners were depicted in the ancient art, which is obvious both friend and foe and depends on the group. The were from the mythological people of "Yam", which make sense and it was reported the lived beyond the cataracts.

as far as them being the pyramids builders i seriously doubt that. Maybe they were part of the civilization, but definitely not the main component..Because majority of the the statues in both Egypt and the National museum in Khartoum look most similar to the present population in both North Sudan and Egypt today, but southerners and others were depicted as well.


Cheers

 

[godkiller]

I seriously doubt this.

@Poitier , what is @KidStranglehold 's ethnicity/race?

@KidStranglehold 's statement:

Meanwhile the irony is when it comes to the STR for the 18th dynasty family modern day Horners, Egyptians, Northern Sudanese and Levantine lag behind tremendously. Their clades back then didn't exist yet... ​

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This moron is using nonsense to cape for Horners, Arab Egyptians, Arab Sudanese and Levantine and imply the Ancient Egyptian STR analysis underserves them. That assertion is bogus. The STRs of all the above people were never black and are not black now (well except the Horners whom have some STR match with the Egyptians, I think there would be more if the Horner population wasn't so..err.."diverse"). There is no more invalidity in the Ancient Egyptian's not being one of them than invalidity in the Ancient Egyptian's being cac or Asian.​

 

[ridedolo]

@Mason83 i see your monkey ass was doing a lot of dapping in this thread.

dont you claim to be a viking?

 

[BigMan]

Hotep beef

 

[Anti-Anime]

TLR is so boring and predictable man

 

[Misreeya]

.....nvm

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Now you're misrepresenting your argument. I included Great Lakes Africans from the outset and all you've done is argued against it including but not limited to your "Northeast African" assertions. Behold what I said and you have argued against since the beginning:

Stop trying to save face and trying twist the argument. I KNOW you included Great Lake region, if you followed the argument you have known that I attacked you on reading the DNAtribes study on the Amarna mummies incorrectly. You are the Ancient Egyptians were Southern, Central and Western African when they weren't.

And heres one of my earlier posts to you(which you overlooked) refuting what you said.

You keep being hard headed and not getting that the people who carried those STR values were NOT from West, South or Central Africa. But instead during the predynastic period of Egypt they were carried by proto Niger-Congo speakers who lived in the Sahara. During the drying of the desert one group went west towards the Niger River and one group went east towards the Nile Valley.

So how the heck can the Ancient Egyptians have been West, Central or South African when their ancestors weren't even from there? More importantly this is only for the 18th dynasty... But anyways it would be more correct to say that the Ancient Egyptians showed AFFINITY to people from those regions, NOT that they WERE those people... You are clearly a laymen. And yes again the Ancient Egyptians were Northeast African, Great Lake region shows the highest MLI scores for the Amarna mummies. And the Great Lake Region is suppose to represent Nilotic speakers who are FROM Northeast Africa.
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Its hard arguing with you, because you're a laymen who acts like he always knew these type of discussions. You don't even know what genetic affinity is. You try to lie and act like the region of Northeast Africa has never been used or mentioned. But even more insane you are now trying to separate Nilotics and Nubia from Northeast Africa where they originate from.

You should learn genetic nomenclature before you engage in arguments about genetics. In the African Great Lakes nomenclature the Nilotic are included but not Somalia, Ethiopia, etc. These people are not the same as Great Lakes Africans and the Ancient Egyptians weren't primarily them . Moving on, the Great Lakes African people originally straddle the Great African Lakes, which is Central/Southern Africa,

You should read other peoples arguments before you twist them.

The problem is that you think I'm trying to the Ancient Egyptians were Ethiopian or Somali when I'm NOT. Once again stop twisting what I am saying!

Where do Nilotics mostly live now? What country was Nubia from?

precisely some of the places I said the Egyptians hail from, the other being West Africa. So the Ancient Egyptians were:

Prove that Ancient Egyptians hailed from west and southern Africa.

The period when sub-Saharan Africa was most influential in Egypt was a time when neither Egypt, as we understand it culturally, nor the Sahara, as we understand it geographically, existed. Populations and cultures now found south of the desert roamed far to the north. The culture of Upper Egypt, which became dynastic Egyptian civilization, could fairly be called a Sudanese transplant." (Egypt and Sub-Saharan Africa: Their Interaction. Encyclopedia of Precolonial Africa, by Joseph O. Vogel, AltaMira Press, Walnut Creek, California (1997), pp. 465-472 )[119]

Yeah definitely of west and south African origin.

I read your argument and reject it and your map which proves nothing.

Why because YOU said so? Here's another map showing the exact same thing.

Your saying Eb1b1a comes from East Africa is not proof it does!

Except the maps I posted and the many anthropologist that agree that it does.

The same cacs who say eb1b1a originated from East Africa also told me Ancient Egyptians weren't black.

Does this include Zahi Hawass who was the ones who obtained the STR values that DNAtribes used that you misinterpret so much? Stop with the cop out.

I respect evidence and nothing else. If eb1b1a originated from East Africa, there would be populations in East Africa with heavy eb1b1a predominance. There is no such population, so the assumption is that E1b1a did not originate in East Africa. E1b1a is NOT found in heavy predominace in Egypt at all. These are the peoples whom have high E1b1a incidences and these are whom the Ramses' E1b1a is LOGICALLY hypothesized to originate from

I already posted evidence which you dismissed so many times, because you didn't like it. And okay? You posted groups that show high frequencies of E1b1a? And?

Why don't you cite us a source that states E1b1a originated in West Africa. Like I said E-M81 is mostly found in Northwest Africa among Berbers and hardly found in East Africa. But it MIGRATED from East Africa, just like E1b1a/E-M2. That's what happens with haplogroups. The originally place where they arose usually holds the lowest frequency. And why wouldn't E-M2/E1b1a noy be from Africa it(and E1b1b) comes from E-P2 which too originated in East Africa!

And saying King Ramses originates from modern West Africans(who probaby weren't even around during that time) is just retarded, but thats the type of statements we get when we argue with laymen.