Always thought this came from Africa or Caribbean ...actually it was New Orleans

[96Blue]

Since we are on this topic, is this true?



I stumbled upon this today.

 

[MikeyC]

Since we are on this topic, is this true?



I stumbled upon this today.

No.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Since we are on this topic, is this true?



I stumbled upon this today.

Yes, high life was influenced by AA funk, jazz, and R&B + big band.
Just like ska/reggae/rocksteady but more direct.

 

[get these nets]

Since we are on this topic, is this true?



I stumbled upon this today.

posted this in a related thread


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CULTURAL INFLUENCE AND EXCHANGE

one of the founders of Afrobeat speaks of origin of the genre and the influence of James Brown



The spirit and intent of the tweet was negative *, but according to one of the acknowedged founders of Afro-beat.....that music genre was heavily influened by Soul Brother #1.

*Black people beefing and using slurs on social media like grade school kids. That's why I stay away from that wasteland.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

posted this in a related thread


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CULTURAL INFLUENCE AND EXCHANGE

one of the founders of Afrobeat speaks of origin of the genre and the influence of James Brown



The spirit and intent of the tweet was negative *, but according to one of the acknowedged founders of Afro-beat.....that music genre was heavily influened by Soul Brother #1.

*Black people beefing and using slurs on social media like grade school kids. That's why I stay away from that wasteland.

you can link the post/thread?

 

[get these nets]

you can link the post/thread?

sure....
posted it here

African brehs put me on afrobeat

and earlier in thread that started off well, but became middle school level nonsense......along the lines of the tweet that I just referred to.

 

[Lost1]

mardi gras indians are black people/of african descent, not REAL indians

oh okay that makes much more sense. thanks for clearing that up

 

[Aintnobodystupid]

Love this joint. I had no idea this came from us though. This group is South African.

 

[TNOT]

Don’t play with us

 

[IllmaticDelta]

It's called "creole" to denote a language, cultural, and/or genetic mix in general ....in specific to new Orleans it's typically referring to

• genetic and by extension cultural mix with french speaking cacs

as opposed to

• genetic and by extension cultural mix with English speaking cacs

Nothing about the phenomena is particularly stand out in AA history just the group of cacs mixed with. Some black folks think it makes them special negros because they are mixed with french cacs as opposed to anglo cacs but that's few and far between so

pretty much

 

[truth2you]

HIP HOP

Listen, fellas....if people want to debate for the sake of debating that's one thing.

Because of where hip hop originated, there's only one logical conclusion that can be reached about it's origin. I would challenge anybody to disagree. Let's examine NYC area from 1920 to roughly 1970
Great Migration of Blacks to the North really began a bit after WW1 started...in mid 19teens
Immigration Act of 1924 closed the lid on non Western European immigration into the country.
The Black and Brown people who were exceptions were Puerto Ricans, who are citizens of US, and people from English speaking Caribbean, who were still British subjects (and qualified for immigration as their countries were part of the UK)

From the early 1920s on, you had AAs from all over the South continuously moving to NYC and bringing their music, church traditions, styles of dance. You had Cariibean people from English speaking islands doing the same. Puerto Ricans, with a strong African cultural presence in their culture, did the same thing. ThEse three groups blended cultures with the AAs whose families were already in NY before any of them came up here. All four groups, living in NYC around each other for 4-5 decades....with influences from other regional AA cultures , mainsteam AA music, and general American pop culture.

Here is an important distinction. America became powerful and culturally inlfuential across the world at that time. Hollywood films played across the world, and American music was played all over the planet....jazz,blues, rock roll,soul,etc. These American music genres were played in the Caribbean and Puerto Rico and had influence on the music that aleady existed there.
I think NYC was one of the only parts of the country where you could say that the reverse was happening. That AAs were regularly being exposed to and being inlfuenced by Caribbean and Puerto Rican music

I believe that this is why the hip hop culture emerged where it did.....not in the Caribbean, not in P.R.., not in the American South, not in another Northern urban area....but in New York City. A perfect storm. It's a stew, the base of the stew is AA, the stove where it's cooked is in America, the ingredients include northern AA , southern AA, Caribbean and Puerto Rican elements.

PERIOD

I know you are trying to make connections, but why not just listen to the people who were there? The only music that would have been played that was different from the other black american music would have been some form of latin music, and even then it would have sounded more funky then what some consider latin music.

All of what you wrote has nothing to do with why Hip hop came from NYC, especially when there were very little black caribbeans here in the first place! They didn't start coming here in large droves until the mid-late 70's. If you listen to caribbeans who were here at the time, they would tell you how small their numbers were, and how they all were perceived to be Jamaican, and that's because of rastas, and Bob Marley as well as weed becoming popular at the time which is associated with Jamaica to this day!

It was new technology, the drug culture, the party culture, and the dj being the new band for a party is what created hip hop. NYC was teh worlds adult playground, and it still is, BUT NOTHING like back then. Along with gangs adding to it as well. Everything else is just fantasizing NYC history. no disrespect to you, just telling you the truth.

 

[truth2you]

Basically yeah

And all of those cultures produced the rappers, graffiti artists, dancers and DJs that we all love ... if you look at their roots ....

A lot of the people who came during the 80's have caribbean family, not the 70's, but I don't see how that effects the music they made, for most of them. People keep bringing up these people's family, but don't explain what does that have to do with the music. The only one I've seen explain how it helped him was Doug E. Fresh. He said he incorporated calypso into his beat boxing, but he is the only one i know. In the 90's more dancehall type rap records were being made, but that was because it was new & popping in NYC, not necessarily because of the rappers background, it was a different form of rap music which was still fresh itself being that hip hop went through so many changes.

When it comes to dj's, there really is no connection because a west indian dj, or a latin dj, is NOTHING like a hip hop dj. So, I really would like to know what did the caribbean bring to dj'ing when it comes to hip hop?

It's the same for rapping. Before the late 70's, you never heard any type of rapping as we know dancehall today. YET by then rapping was happening all over NYC. In reality, I believe some foreigners saw what was happening in NYC, and then brought it back home to the island. Can't prove it, but growing up I knew many people who would come to the states, and go back to Toronto, and then back to the islands. Some went London. Some went to Florida. Basically, NYC wasn't their only place of residence, they moved around a lot to live with different family members.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

It's the same for rapping. Before the late 70's, you never heard any type of rapping as we know dancehall today. YET by then rapping was happening all over NYC. In reality, I believe some foreigners saw what was happening in NYC, and then brought it back home to the island. Can't prove it, but growing up I knew many people who would come to the states, and go back to Toronto, and then back to the islands. Some went London. Some went to Florida. Basically, NYC wasn't their only place of residence, they moved around a lot to live with different family members.

modern dancehall came out in jamaica after they heard rap/hiphop from america in he late 1970s and shifted the freelance toasting to on the beat syncopation you get in HipHop. Supercat talks about how big rappers delight was in the video below



this is basically all confirmed by Supercat

Supercat basically hints at it here

Super Cat was saying specifically that Rappers Delight was HUGE in Jamaica.

@2:23



shouts to @The Ruler 09 for posting that.

they started doing rappers delight knockoffs in jamaica right after sugar hill gang started bubbling

 

[get these nets]

CULTURAL EXCHANGE

the Greatest Entertainer in the history of the World...MJ.....borrowed from other culture's music also

If you're familiar with Wanna Be Starting Something, you already know


this song goes HARD

 

[MischievousMonkey]

You are absolutely right hats off to ya

I've been to that sight before I just didn't know it was a video from them. It used to be that anytime I typed in something like...

• "Blues documentary"
• "Mississippi delta"

...that full documentary would pop up. I would then follow the links to folkstreams web site. All they have on youtube now is a short teaser...

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SIDENOTE:
I watched a great documentary on folkstreams 3-4 years ago about a family who traced their roots back to Africa(Sierra Leone ....or Liberia) because of a song that was passed down. An African linguistic student recognized the language and said it was from his country. They then spent years looking for anyone in the country who knew the song and eventually found women who kept the song alive because they were told thats how they would find each other(or something along those line)
They eventually were able to introduced both sides of the family to each other again.

I need to find that video again, would make a good thread ...would make a great movie also






EDIT:
Here it is... Family Across the Sea | Folkstreams

Trailer


Full video

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Yall want me to cry right? I love poetry and these crazy stories just work too well