Always thought this came from Africa or Caribbean ...actually it was New Orleans
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For real?
I'm kinda confused about them. I don't know where they're from, or who they're.
They're American, but speak creole?
I don't know.
Nah, African Americans in New Orleans predate the Haitians who came into New Orleans after the revolution.
To say otherwise would be to say something like..
"Aren't Haitian people African Americans anyway?" ...all because small groups of African Americans came to Haiti after the revolution.
In 1824, the New York Colonization Society received a commitment from Haitian President Jean-Pierre Boyer to pay the passage of U.S. emigrants. Boyer also promised to support them for their first four months and to grant them land. The same year, African-American leaders, including wealthy Philadelphia businessman James Fortenand Bishop Richard Allen, formed the Haytian Emigration Society of Coloured People. They arranged for the transportation of several hundred people, not only to Haiti but also to Santo Domingo, the Spanish-speaking western part of the island of Hispaniola that had been conquered by Haiti in 1822.
- Report from Hayti from African Repository and Colonial Journal, Vol. 5 (April 1829)
- Marriage License and Naturalization Documents of American Migrants to Haiti from Williamson Papers
- A Merging of Two Cultures: The Afro-Hispanic Immigrants of Samana, Dominican Republic from Afro-Hispanic Review, vol. 8, nos. 1 & 2 (January and May 1989) by E. Valerie Smith
"Our brethren of Hayti, who stand in the vanguard of the race, have already made a name, and a fame for us, that is as imperishable as the world's history. . . .It becomes then an important question for the negro race in America . . .to contribute to the continued advancement of this negro nationality of the New World until its glory and renown shall overspread the whole earth, and redeem and regenerate by its influence in the future, the benighted Fatherland of the race in Africa."
- Thoughts on Hayti from The Anglo-African Magazine, vol.1, no.10 (October 1859) and vol.1, no.11 (November 1859) by Holly, Theodore
Many Americans, black and white, were opposed to Haitian immigration. Their attacks were not as strong as those against Liberia, mainly because it was a movement initiated, for the most part, by African Americans. In fact, the 1854 National Emigration Convention actually endorsed Haitian immigration. But the opponents of Haiti were numerous. Frederick Douglass, who was opposed to emigration but had finally encouraged the Haitian movement, later abandoned the cause.
Widespread migration to Haiti never materialized. Estimates of the number of African Americans who made the trip range from eight thousand to thirteen thousand, but most returned to the United States. Unlike the situation in Liberia, the island's fairly large but mostly transient African-American community left no lasting evidence of its presence.
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That said some people play it up for various reasons...
- Because it's actually true that someone in there family was a Haitian emigrant
- Because they think it adds some kind of legitimacy to [insert cultural activity here]
- etc etc
- genetic and by extension cultural mix with french speaking cacs
- genetic and by extension cultural mix with English speaking cacs
Nothing about the phenomena is particularly stand out in AA history just the group of cacs mixed with.
Some black folks think it makes them special negros because they are mixed with french cacs as opposed to anglo cacs
but that's few and far between so
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The Odum of Ala Igbo
Hail Biafra!
Check out my old thread on the New World origins of modern African music:
Back to Africa: The New World Afro-Diaspora Roots of Modern African Music
Back to Africa: The New World Afro-Diaspora Roots of Modern African Music
Yes and No. Many Creole families have Haitian origin. I'm not sure if it's proper to say all of them.
Multiple branches of my own family from New Orleans did immigrate from Saint Domingue in the 1700's.
In fact, Domingue, is a family surname.
Can’t believe you proved my comment with one picture
The Odum of Ala Igbo
Hail Biafra!
Slave owners in Virginia and Maryland made money buy raising black people and selling them down South. The overland journeys down south were taken by black people in chain-gangs on foot for the most part
K.O.N.Y
Superstar
im born and raised from the bronx. Tell me what about hip hop came from the caribbean
So i can give you a history lesson
Freedman
Choppers For Karate Nggas
Its a little hazy because Louisiana History was way back in 8th grade but the creole here has something do with French people who settled here. Now a days it also has some connection to mixed people
Gunz&Butta
All Star
im born and raised from the bronx. Tell me what about hip hop came from the caribbean
So i can give you a history lesson
you from the bronx, so you should know. You thought I was talking about straight from the Carribean? No. Im talking about the Jamaican influence in the Bronx at that time. And im not talking about the spoken word part of hip hop.
I've seen those but I also like these below...
Time stamped for convenience
They had the call & response running side by side wit it
"Oh yeah"
SIDENOTE:
There is also an Alan Lomax Mississippi delta recording I cant find of two black women on a porch "rapping" a church/blues/folk song.
(It was on YouTube but not anymore ...the video started with a guy who is a grave digger ended with a bunch of people in a juke joint toasting/signifying)
get these nets
Veteran
Yes, people screamed on the guy for asking a legitimate question.
Prior to the Lousiana Purchase by the US......that area was under the flag of France.....just like St. Domingue (later Haiti) was. The planter class, the mulatto children of those people, the petit blancs, and the Africans in both places were techncially the same families and groups of people.
It's like saying Virginia and North Carolina before the revolutionary war period. Both English colonies in close proximity to each other....and with a lot of cultural and family overlap.
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