Always thought this came from Africa or Caribbean ...actually it was New Orleans

[Bawon Samedi]

Damn this whole time I thought you was from NC. I knew you had ties to NYC, through family, similar to me with Cali. Looks like I had it backwards.

Pretty sure they get'em from them breeders down here off homestead, cullen, and in acres homes. Couldn't quote a price cause my immediate fam is cattle raisers and fishermen. lol

NYC and NC Blacks(outside of immigrants) are basically the same people. lol.

But anyways I do wonder how much they cost and the maintenance.

 

[Supper]

NYC and NC Blacks(outside of immigrants) are basically the same people. lol.

But anyways I do wonder how much they cost and the maintenance.

You ain't lyin'. Everytime I hear about some Afr'Am hip hop or other music pioneer and legendary kingpins from NYC I always end hearing about some NC origin.

How is it even any blacks left in NC? lol

I wonder, is there more MS roots in the Chi or NC roots in NYC? What if we included all of the Carolinas?

 

[Bawon Samedi]

You ain't lyin'. Everytime I hear about some Afr'Am hip hop or other music pioneer and legendary kingpins from NYC I always end hearing about some NC origin.

How is it even any blacks left in NC? lol

I wonder, is there more MS roots in the Chi or NC in NYC? What if we included all of the Carolinas?

Right now I believe the Chi now. Because many AAs have been moving back to NC and down south in general. And the influence of non-AA Blacks in NY which balanced out everything.

 

[get these nets]

I'm more than happy to let @IllmaticDelta continue to school you, but this is just patently false on so many levels. The slave trade to French Louisiana was for the most part not modeled after and connected at all to the slave trade to french caribbean islands like St. Domingue. In fact trade in general between Louisiana and the Caribbean was highly restricted as to not allow the poor louisiana colony to be economically muscled out by the wealthy caribbean colonies, and slaves from the french caribbean were EXPLICITLY BANNED from entering louisiana due to their "bad nature"(something you can, as a caribbean, take pride in instead of trying to leech off my people's cultural achievements), and louisiana slave traders were ordered to obtain slaves directly from Africa.

Most slaves in French Louisiana, two thirds, came form Senegambia due to the slave trade being managed by the Senegal concessions, while most slaves in St. Domingue came from Kongo/Angola and Dahomey. The system of slavery in French louisiana was actually modeled off of the success of the British colonies and Carolinas and Geogia with it's rich cultivation, which also had a disproportionate representation of Senegambian slaves. And lets not even talk about the spanish period when they actually were actually inviting settlers and their slaves from the newly formed independent US to live in Louisiana and help develop the land particularly in Pointee Coupe. Much more slaves would've came from what was then the US than from fukking Cuba. And your entire argument can be put to bed by the fact that the domestic slave trade within the US(which by this time included Louisiana) was many times larger than the atlantic slave trade from outside the US(by and large directly from Africa, not the Caribbean), and Louisiana, and then later Texas was the center point for arrival of these slaves from VA, Carolinas, GA, Tenn. etc etc

So. at you thinking AAs in Louisiana would have more "cultural exchange" with some damn Cuba or Haiti than with AAs from other states in the US, including mississippi from which New Orleans is right across the Mississippi river from(you could literally walk across the bridge between the two), which also contains the habenera/Hambone/Bo diddley rhythm and polyrhythmic cross rhythms in it's hill country fife and drum music, which you keep trying to assert comes from cuba. So, even if it didn't come to New Orleans directly from Africa, then wouldn't the next most obvious explanation be that it came from other fellow AAs from the Carolinas, Georgia or Mississippi(Ya know the next state over) etc etc? Yet here you are trying to draw some way out there connection with Cuba for some reason(I think we all know why).

FYI.....You do know Texas/Tejas was a Spanish colony(later part of Hispanic Mexico) for far longer than Lousiana was right. How come you aren't saying that Scott Joplin's(who's from Texas) "Spanish Tinge" is from Mexico instead of Cuba, especially when he himself drew the association with Mexico? You just can't accept the fact AA musical and other cultural heritage has nada to due with the Caribbean and that the flow of influence is by and large from us to you.

From "Dizzy gillespie created latin jazz" a few days ago...to thesis about slave trade and colonial history of Spanish and French controlled Louisiana today.

watch for the apples

 

[get these nets]

Welcome to W C Handy Foundation INC

Handy In Havana

The WC Handy Foundation, Inc developed a music and dance program, Handy in Havana, to explore the Afro-Cuban culture that influenced WC Handy's musical interests and led him to compose his greatest hits including Memphis Blues and Beale Street Blues and St. Louis Blues and become known worldwide as the Father of the Blues. WC his new bride, and his band visited Havana in February 1900, shortly after the Spanish American War. WC witnessed the Buffalo Soldiers fighting for Cuba's freedom and realized the Buffalo Soldiers were not free men in their homeland. WC gained the courage to express himself and upon returning to the USA he began to incorporate many of the Afro-Cuba beats in his blues. Handy in Havana is narrated by WC's only grandson, Dr. Carlos Handy. Dr. Carlos Handy is a Houston resident, a professor of Physics at Texas Southern University, and a local musician who plays the cornet in both the Texas Medical Center Orchestra and The Woodlands Orchestra.

 

[Supper]

From "Dizzy gillespie created latin jazz" a few days ago...to thesis about slave trade and colonial history of Spanish and French controlled Louisiana today.

watch for the apples

Lets be honest. You'd hack your middle finger off with a machete if you could get to be a true Afr'Am for a week wouldn't you. The obsession is obvious.

You wanna be apart of us and claim our culture so bad and it kills you to know that you'll never get to. So, you go for the next best thing which is culture-vulturing. S'okay champ. Let it all out.

 

[TNOT]

Black cowboys: Creole trail rides showcase unique culture

Article feature both of my slavery root towns, St. Landry Parish, LA and Robertson County, TX(Calvert).



Lotta folk don't know THIS side of H-Town. Shame that it seems like our more hip hop scene(which I'm proud of) is almost embarrassed by this part of black houston culture. Even boosie did a zydeco rap, and zydeco doesn't even come from baton rouge. Yet no famous houston rapper has ever done one, as far as I know.



I hope this brother is successful, though,

Trail rides used to be really fun, they got really popular about 12 yrs ago when newer younger zydeco groups started getting popular in swla

I grew up in South Louisiana and live in New Orleans. People that don’t live here don’t understand how different NO is from the rest of the south La, it’s a island .


I have more to contribute, but I don’t have time now

 

[intruder]

.and heard a song called "IKO IKO" played throughout. I then recalled hearing this song on TV commercials or something(Caribbean cruse line?) when I was little and looked it up.

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I always though it was a song from the Continent or Caribbean(especially given that the percussion sounds like)

I always thought it was American because of the English accent is obviously American accent. No-one in the caribbean sounds like that

 

[Samori Toure]

Right now I believe the Chi now. Because many AAs have been moving back to NC and down south in general. And the influence of non-AA Blacks in NY which balanced out everything.

It might actually be about even, because the AA population is plunging like crazy in Chicago. Most African Americans from Chicago are moving back South as well.

Black Residents Flee Chicago As Experts Say Chances For Success Diminish
As Chicago's black population plunges, whites flock to near downtown
Chicago Tribune - We are currently unavailable in your region

 

[Supper]

Welcome to W C Handy Foundation INC

Handy In Havana

The WC Handy Foundation, Inc developed a music and dance program, Handy in Havana, to explore the Afro-Cuban culture that influenced WC Handy's musical interests and led him to compose his greatest hits including Memphis Blues and Beale Street Blues and St. Louis Blues and become known worldwide as the Father of the Blues. WC his new bride, and his band visited Havana in February 1900, shortly after the Spanish American War. WC witnessed the Buffalo Soldiers fighting for Cuba's freedom and realized the Buffalo Soldiers were not free men in their homeland. WC gained the courage to express himself and upon returning to the USA he began to incorporate many of the Afro-Cuba beats in his blues. Handy in Havana is narrated by WC's only grandson, Dr. Carlos Handy. Dr. Carlos Handy is a Houston resident, a professor of Physics at Texas Southern University, and a local musician who plays the cornet in both the Texas Medical Center Orchestra and The Woodlands Orchestra.

Saint Louis Blues (song) - Wikipedia

The form is unusual in that the verses are the now-familiar standard twelve-bar blues in common time with three lines of lyrics, the first two lines repeated, but it also has a 16-bar bridge written in the habanera rhythm, popularly called the "Spanish tinge" and characterized by Handy as tango.[7] The tango-like rhythm is notated as a dotted quarter note followed by an eighth note and two quarter notes, with no slurs or ties. It is played in the introduction and in the sixteen-measure bridge.[5]

^^^^Oh you mean that thing again, which we've already established is the Cuban equivalent to the African-American bo diddley/hambone/juba rhythm, same one which ragtime artist like scott joplin used and associated with mexico. And WC handy associates with Argentinian Tango. Still a long ways away from Cuba.

Why don't we hear from WC himself on where he got the inspiration from the song from.

While blues often became simple and repetitive in form, "Saint Louis Blues" has multiple complementary and contrasting strains, similar to classic ragtime compositions. Handy said his objective in writing the song was "to combine ragtime syncopation with a real melody in the spiritual tradition."[8]

No ragtime in Cuba as far as I know. You ever stop and think why none of these artist ever associate the rhythm with Cuba, yet you keep desperately trying to pin it's origins in America there for obvious reasons? Try harder, champ.

 

[Samori Toure]

Welcome to W C Handy Foundation INC

Handy In Havana

The WC Handy Foundation, Inc developed a music and dance program, Handy in Havana, to explore the Afro-Cuban culture that influenced WC Handy's musical interests and led him to compose his greatest hits including Memphis Blues and Beale Street Blues and St. Louis Blues and become known worldwide as the Father of the Blues. WC his new bride, and his band visited Havana in February 1900, shortly after the Spanish American War. WC witnessed the Buffalo Soldiers fighting for Cuba's freedom and realized the Buffalo Soldiers were not free men in their homeland. WC gained the courage to express himself and upon returning to the USA he began to incorporate many of the Afro-Cuba beats in his blues. Handy in Havana is narrated by WC's only grandson, Dr. Carlos Handy. Dr. Carlos Handy is a Houston resident, a professor of Physics at Texas Southern University, and a local musician who plays the cornet in both the Texas Medical Center Orchestra and The Woodlands Orchestra.

So have you read that article that I posted for you detailing why African American music was different than the music of the Caribbean and South American?

No drums allowed: Afro rhythmic mutations in America - This Is Africa Lifestyle

I don't agree with everything in the article, but there is literally a reason that the music is different and the article does a reasonably fair job of spelling it out.

 

[Supper]

Trail rides used to be really fun, they got really popular about 12 yrs ago when newer younger zydeco groups started getting popular in swla

I grew up in South Louisiana and live in New Orleans. People that don’t live here don’t understand how different NO is from the rest of the south La, it’s a island .


I have more to contribute, but I don’t have time now

The big trailride in Houston is during rodeo time, in late feb and early march. But, they usually do little events year round. The one I'm familiar with is off Homestead. Though, from what I can tell MLK's might be even bigger. Gonna have to check that one out one day.

Yep, black SW louisiana has more in common with black SE TX, including Houston, than it does with New Orleans. SETX and SWLA is really it's own state, culturally. Orleans, Jefferson, and Plaquemines parishes are their own island state.


There's reason why urban zydeco developed in Houston and not New Orleans.

 

[TNOT]

The big trailride in Houston is during rodeo time, in late feb and early march. But, they usually do little events year round. The one I'm familiar with is off Homestead. Though, from what I can tell MLK's might be even bigger. Gonna have to check that one out one day.

Yep, black SW louisiana has more in common with black SE TX, including Houston, than it does with New Orleans. SETX and SWLA is really it's own state, culturally. Orleans, Jefferson, and Plaquemines parishes are their own island state.


There's reason why urban zydeco developed in Houston and not New Orleans.

I don’t know about the developed in Houston, I’ll just have to disagree with you there

I grew up listening to Zydeco artist like Buckwheat Zydeco, and Kieth Frank and the Soileau band. The Zydeco new breeds like Chris Ardoin are from Louisiana. There’s always been a crossover from Louisiana to Texas because so many people leave here and move to Texas.

I would say SETX gets its culture from SWLA.

Zydeco developed in SW Louisiana.
You can’t have Zydeco without an accordion and washboard.









These guys aren’t from texas

 

[Samori Toure]

I don’t know about the developed in Houston, I’ll just have to disagree with you there

I grew up listening to Zydeco artist like Buckwheat Zydeco, and Kieth Frank and the Soileau band. The Zydeco new breeds like Chris Ardoin are from Louisiana. There’s always been a crossover from Louisiana to Texas because so many people leave here and move to Texas.

I would say SETX gets its culture from SWLA.

Zydeco developed in SW Louisiana.
You can’t have Zydeco without an accordion and washboard.









These guys aren’t from texas

I know that Albert King was from Texas and was playing Texas Blues, but what the Hell was Clarence "Gatemouth Brown" playing; because he is supposedly a Texas Bluesman, but I think that he was from Louisiana?

 

[TNOT]

I know that Albert King was from Texas and was playing Texas Blues, but what the Hell was Clarence "Gatemouth Brown" playing; because he is supposedly a Texas Bluesman, but I think that he was from Louisiana?

I’m not familiar breh.....