Always thought this came from Africa or Caribbean ...actually it was New Orleans

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iana strong Yoruba and Kongo ethnic influence in music as noted in the page.....to pinpoint that it was much more likely that Morton became familiar with the concept in New Orleans than the other explanation. the other explanation is more of a reach. Slavers in both French and Spanish louisian were the same ones/family as the ones in Cuba and St. Domingue. They were transporting Africans from the same places. Free Blacks from those places were moving back and forth also.

I'm more than happy to let @IllmaticDelta continue to school you, but this is just patently false on so many levels. The slave trade to French Louisiana was for the most part not modeled after and connected at all to the slave trade to french caribbean islands like St. Domingue. In fact trade in general between Louisiana and the Caribbean was highly restricted as to not allow the poor louisiana colony to be economically muscled out by the wealthy caribbean colonies, and slaves from the french caribbean were EXPLICITLY BANNED from entering louisiana due to their "bad nature"(something you can, as a caribbean, take pride in instead of trying to leech off my people's cultural achievements), and louisiana slave traders were ordered to obtain slaves directly from Africa.

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Most slaves in French Louisiana, two thirds, came form Senegambia due to the slave trade being managed by the Senegal concessions, while most slaves in St. Domingue came from Kongo/Angola and Dahomey. The system of slavery in French louisiana was actually modeled off of the success of the British colonies and Carolinas and Geogia with it's rich cultivation, which also had a disproportionate representation of Senegambian slaves. And lets not even talk about the spanish period when they actually were actually inviting settlers and their slaves from the newly formed independent US to live in Louisiana and help develop the land particularly in Pointee Coupe. Much more slaves would've came from what was then the US than from fukking Cuba. And your entire argument can be put to bed by the fact that the domestic slave trade within the US(which by this time included Louisiana) was many times larger than the atlantic slave trade from outside the US(by and large directly from Africa, not the Caribbean), and Louisiana, and then later Texas was the center point for arrival of these slaves from VA, Carolinas, GA, Tenn. etc etc

So. :mjlol: at you thinking AAs in Louisiana would have more "cultural exchange" with some damn Cuba or Haiti than with AAs from other states in the US, including mississippi from which New Orleans is right across the Mississippi river from(you could literally walk across the bridge between the two), which also contains the habenera/Hambone/Bo diddley rhythm and polyrhythmic cross rhythms in it's hill country fife and drum music, which you keep trying to assert comes from cuba. So, even if it didn't come to New Orleans directly from Africa, then wouldn't the next most obvious explanation be that it came from other fellow AAs from the Carolinas, Georgia or Mississippi(Ya know the next state over) etc etc? Yet here you are trying to draw some way out there connection with Cuba for some reason(I think we all know why).

FYI.....You do know Texas/Tejas was a Spanish colony(later part of Hispanic Mexico) for far longer than Lousiana was right. How come you aren't saying that Scott Joplin's(who's from Texas) "Spanish Tinge" is from Mexico instead of Cuba, especially when he himself drew the association with Mexico? You just can't accept the fact AA musical and other cultural heritage has nada to due with the Caribbean and that the flow of influence is by and large from us to you.





 
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And aren't you Texas Creole yourself.

Yep, SW LA & SW TX is my heritage. Different from NO variety creole, but creole nonetheless.

American creole is more of a "gulf coast" culture than strictly a louisiana culture. Mobile, Al was once the center of it, hence their mardi gras festival which is older than NO mardi gras.
 

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Yep, SW LA & SW TX is my heritage. Different from NO variety creole, but creole nonetheless. American creole is more of a "gulf coast" culture than strictly a louisiana culture. Mobile, Al was once the center of it.
You need to educate the Coli on Creole culture/people(ask me anything thread?) because people on here have this idea that Creoles are just highly exotical different "race" from AAs.
 

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You need to educate the Coli on Creole culture/people(ask me anything thread?) because people on here have this idea that Creoles are just highly exotical different "race" from AAs.

Yep, gonna have to dig up some of those old references I used to use, just like the ones I found about Saharan berber slaves in America.

Lotta people don't know about the importance of Biloxi, MS & Mobile Alabama to creole history in the gulf coast or the rural component to it, or how spanish Nacogdoches TX was an unofficial creole settlement of runaway slaves and slave owners from French Louisiana and later Anglophone US and only know about New Orleans.
 

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Yep, gonna have to dig up some of those old references I used to use, just like the ones I found about Saharan berber slaves in America.

Lotta people don't know about the importance of Biloxi, MS & Mobile Alabama to creole history in the gulf coast, or how spanish Nacogdoches TX was an unofficial creole settlement of runaway slaves and slave owners from French Louisiana and later Anglophone US and only know about New Orleans.

I mean you don't even have to post a lot of info. You being Creole would be enough authentication. Plus your thread would gather a lot of interests being that its from an ACTUAL Creole person.

Anyways, the second bolded sounds interesting.
 

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Anyways, the second bolded sounds interesting.

What this interrogation of slaves suggests is that fugitives were arriving at Nacogdoches from various parts of Louisiana in alarming numbers and claiming abusive conditions as their primary reason for leaving.22 The French were surely affected by the loss of property and must have had concerns with how to reclaim their losses. This interrogation also suggests the level of frustration Spanish officials must have had regarding how to utilize the foreigners so as not to further economically tax newly developing communities. But, more importantly, this recap of the interrogations of slaves illuminates the determination of fugitives to obtain their freedom Perhaps knowledge of the neutral territory contributed to escape attempts and enticed a large group of slaves in 1808 to leave Natchitoches(LA) for Nacogdoches(TX). Governor Claiborne wrote to Secretary of State James Madison reporting that there had been the successful departure in one night of “more than 30 negroes” (Rowland vol. 4:244). The governor wanted to offer a type of fugitive exchange program between the two territories as a solution to the problem and justly so, since the elopement of 30 slaves certainly created a sense of panic for plantation owners.

. Yet, it was also in the Neutral Strip that slave fugitives could reach “semi-safety” from their owners. Runaways from Natchitoches and other parts of Louisiana were officially free once they reached this region, yet they still had to remain mindful that recapture was possible until reaching the full protection of Spanish Nacogdoches. In regards to slavery, the Neutral Strip may have actually led to an increase in grand marronnage-type escapes from Louisiana and other regions to Nacogdoches. There are numerous examples of these occurrences over a three year period.
https://www.nps.gov/elte/learn/historyculture/upload/ELTE_UGRR-Study-2.pdf

In Texas, as throughout New Spain, Afro-Mexican slaves made up only a small proportion of the population. Field slavery of the type common in England’s American colonies and in parts of Spanish America did not exist in Texas absent an export cash crop economy. In Texas, as in most of New Spain by the latter part of the Spanish colonial period, slave ownership was a matter of status and most slaves provided domestic services. Present from the beginning of Hispanic settlement in Texas, slavery was closely associated with governors, military officers, and a few prosperous individuals. Only in Nacogdoches, at the turn of the nineteenth century, was there a substantial increase in the number of slaves, although the number of households reporting slave ownership remained small, a majority of them having French and English surnames, thus indicating recent arrival in the area. The fact that most slaves were female except in late colonial Nacogdoches, where by 1806 male slaves outnumbered females thirty-nine to thirty-six, points to more diversified economic roles for the enslaved Afro-Texan population in the Louisiana border region.
BLACKS IN COLONIAL SPANISH TEXAS | The Handbook of Texas Online| Texas State Historical Association (TSHA)
 

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Good read. It also explains the development of Gulf AA culture. This is similar to Black Gullah migrations from SC/GA into Spanish FL and THEN into the Bahamas!

Black cowboys: Creole trail rides showcase unique culture

Article feature both of my slavery root towns, St. Landry Parish, LA and Robertson County, TX(Calvert).

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Lotta folk don't know THIS side of H-Town. Shame that it seems like our more hip hop scene(which I'm proud of) is almost embarrassed by this part of black houston culture. Even boosie did a zydeco rap, and zydeco doesn't even come from baton rouge. Yet no famous houston rapper has ever done one, as far as I know.



I hope this brother is successful, though,

 
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:ehh::ehh:

But nah we are aware that you AAs from Texas still be riding on horses. lol.

I think we are the only BIG city(>500,000) where folk still do that at even in the South. lol Never saw nothing like that in the New Orleans when I was there. Ppl are bound to notice lol

GA and Carolina folk don't do that? Even in Savanna and Charleston.

Can't have a Trailride without some East Tex BBQ and Gumbo, and some blues, southern soul, zydeco, and some classic screw joints.
 

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I think we are the only BIG city(>500,000) where folk still do that at even in the South. lol Never saw nothing like that in the New Orleans when I was there. PPL are bound to notice lol

GA and Carolina folk don't do that? Even in Savanna and Charleston.

Can't have a Trailride without some East Tex BBQ and Gumbo, and some blues, southern soul, zydeco, and some classic screw joints.

I remember seeing this video.


But I am not sure about Savanna or Charleston. I only been to Savanna once.
 

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I remember seeing this video.


But I am not sure about Savanna or Charleston. I only been to Savanna once.


Yeah, some of them shyts be big as fukk



I think this tradition is what inspired the slab relays



Just replace horses with slabs and add a little less zydeco and a little more screw and the shyt look real famililar with them swangaz rollin at a horses pace, don't it? :myman:

Ain't you from NC. They don't do it up over there?
 

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Yeah, some of them shyts be big as fukk



I think this tradition is what inspired the slab relays



Just replace horses with slabs and add a little less zydeco and a little more screw and the shyt look real famililar with them swangaz rollin at a horses pace, don't it? :myman:

Ain't you from NC. They don't do it up over there?


My family's from NC. I'm from New York. Not sure if they be riding horses in Wilson county(where my fam from) but I THINK they do in some parts in NC.

But how much do these horses be costing? :heh:
 

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My family's from NC. I'm from New York. Not sure if they be riding horses in Wilson county(where my fam from) but I THINK they do in some parts in NC.

But how much do these horses be costing? :heh:

Damn this whole time I thought you was from NC. I knew you had ties to NYC, through family, similar to me with Cali. Looks like I had it backwards. :mjlol:

Pretty sure they get'em from them breeders down here off homestead, cullen, and in acres homes. Couldn't quote a price cause my immediate fam is cattle raisers and fishermen. lol
 
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