Always Online...... Lets discuss

[infamousred]

"What is important is that games and entertainment are stored and saved in the cloud, so one can access them anytime, from any Xbox One, provided that he or she uses his Xbox Live account.":
it really does mean that you couldn't play your games. you can't get to the cloud without the internet. what a bunch of fukking idiots.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I like the way you just throw that second point in there despite it having no evidence to show for it. Now you're changing up the words like "nah it'll have SOMETHING!"

My answer?? There is no benefits from what Microsoft's been talking about. I cant' think of ANY way I benefit from being restricted with my console.

Sony said they are still deciding the way used games will work. Why would they say that if there wasn't some type of drm system in place? What is there to decide?

Your answer is very fanboyish. Take Microsoft and Sony out of the picture. This is what developers want and this is what developers will get regardless of how either system works. Do you think developers could ever convince you that "always online" is worth it, or are you just totaly against it.

And judging by your post count, you have pretty good access to the Internet. Why does this scenario bother you so much?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Here's the thing tho.

None of that... NONE of that requires an always-on connection. Everything listed here could be done in an on-demand fashion.

Always-on is good for 2 things. Push-based services (nightly updates, RSS, etc) and DRM and that's it.

Nothing about the gaming experience will be enhanced by always-on.

"Always online" is a misnomer you won't need a constant connection, but there will be some type of authentication requirement.

Actually On-Demand sounds more like what will be the eventual functionality.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Meach keeps ignoring the fact that you HAVE TO CONNECT WITH LIVE ONCE EVERY 24 HOURS. Anyone with a brain knows it's for DRM purposes!

And for those without the internet at home (not the majority of gamers, but still in the MILLIONS), Microsoft has basically said fukk YOU, DON'T COP THE XBOX 1 since you can't play games.

nikkaz keep beating around the bush and grasping for straws, but it's from their own damn mouths! Yeah, you can play offline, but after 24 hours if you don't check in with MS, your shyt won't work!!!!

Y'all keep ignoring the fact that Sony has "something" in the plans for used games. Why would they need a plan if no drm was required?

Also you keep ignoring that this is what developers want it doesn't mater what Sony or Microsoft does with their consoles, this is a developer decision. The entire industry is moving this way.

I'm trying to get The Arcadium's thoughts on the direction of the industry, but you dudes are too stuck on fighting a fanboy war. Grow up, haven't y'all been doing this for over a decade.

 

[nyknick]

I do

Memories

Damn breh you actually read through all that bullshyt he wrote?

I had to dap you for the effort.

 

[StatUS]

Damn breh you actually read through all that bullshyt he wrote?

I had to dap you for the effort.

 

[AkaDemiK]

Imagine being unable to use apps on your phone unless you had a signal.

you can't use a lot of apps on the 360 or the ps3 unless you have an internet connection. You can't use youtube, netflix, hbo go, the mlb network, internet browsers etc. without being online. I can name a lot more...but u get the point. You also can't play any multiplayer games online, get DLC etc. Yet it seem like knowledge of these things have been erased from ppl's minds just because of the xbox.

we have always had consoles that needed to be online to get the best out of them...but i guess this slipped your mind because of the xbox one. I would love to see you nikkas get on youtube without connecting your ps3's to the internet.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

"Always online" is a misnomer you won't need a constant connection, but there will be some type of authentication requirement.

We're talking about the same thing.

And judging by your post count, you have pretty good access to the Internet. Why does this scenario bother you so much?

Here's why it's bothersome.


When we were kids we had the NES or the SNES or the Genesis or whatever. We had the console and we used it for entertainment. Everything was cool. Then a couple generations passed and consoles had online connectivity. Cool, right? We were able to play with our friends online, watch videos etc... Neat feature.

Now, instead of it being a feature, it's a requirement. Now, instead of me gaming on my terms, it's Microsoft saying, "We appreciate your support, but we're gonna need you to check in with us every day before you can use the product that you've paid for." It's a shift in the wrong direction, and I'll give you an example why.

Pretty soon here, auto manufacturers are going to start offering internet access in vehicles. It'll be a cool feature; you'll be able to listen to Pandora, get vehicle software updates remotely, your car will notify you when there's a recall, etc... Neat right? Well what if a couple generations after that, your car had to check in with the manufacturer every day, and if that check-in failed for any number of reasons, you couldn't drive your car? You're thinking "that's ridiculous " and that's exactly the point.

10 years ago, if you had told ANYONE in here that their video game console, which they paid for and own, required a daily check-in with the manufacturer, or they wouldn't be able to use it, they'd say "that's ridiculous " and yet, here we are.

If it doesn't bother you, cool. They're counting on a number of people not to be bothered by it, and that's fine. But don't really sit here and act like Microsoft is doing this for the gamers or for innovation instead of for DRM. Quite frankly, that's ridiculous .

 

[AkaDemiK]

Honestly this daily check has not been explained properly. There is a lot of of things that weren't explained in full context on the day of the reveal...IGN already had to update an article about having to pay to play games on the same console using different account...they got the full info from microsoft and were told that games can be played by more than one account on the same xbox for free, only if the person who first played the game uses the parental controls to allow everyone else access to that game. If you have any doubts..simply wait for microsoft to fully explain each new feature and change with the xbox one so you won't look stupid a couple months from now.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

We're talking about the same thing.



Here's why it's bothersome.


When we were kids we had the NES or the SNES or the Genesis or whatever. We had the console and we used it for entertainment. Everything was cool. Then a couple generations passed and consoles had online connectivity. Cool, right? We were able to play with our friends online, watch videos etc... Neat feature.

Now, instead of it being a feature, it's a requirement. Now, instead of me gaming on my terms, it's Microsoft saying, "We appreciate your support, but we're gonna need you to check in with us every day before you can use the product that you've paid for." It's a shift in the wrong direction, and I'll give you an example why.

Pretty soon here, auto manufacturers are going to start offering internet access in vehicles. It'll be a cool feature; you'll be able to listen to Pandora, get vehicle software updates remotely, your car will notify you when there's a recall, etc... Neat right? Well what if a couple generations after that, your car had to check in with the manufacturer every day, and if that check-in failed for any number of reasons, you couldn't drive your car? You're thinking "that's ridiculous " and that's exactly the point.

10 years ago, if you had told ANYONE in here that their video game console, which they paid for and own, required a daily check-in with the manufacturer, or they wouldn't be able to use it, they'd say "that's ridiculous " and yet, here we are.

If it doesn't bother you, cool. But don't really sit here and act like Microsoft is doing this for the gamers or for innovation instead of for DRM. Quite frankly, that's ridiculous .

10 years ago if some one said you would be able to access your entire games library from any playstaion in the world they'd say "that's ridiculous"

The jump from sega to playstation REQUIRED you to use discs. The jump from ps2 to ps3 required you to have an HDTV. The jump from flip phones to the iphone REQUIRED you to get a data plan. Each generation with inovation comes changes to the conventional way of thinking.

I'm not saying Microsoft is doing this ONLY for innovation. What I'm asking is, are there any innovations that would make this decision more palatable for gamers?

And one more time this is not just Microsoft, it is the ENTIRE industry including PC games.

 

[AkaDemiK]

10 years ago if some one said you would be able to access your entire games library from any playstaion in the world they'd say "that's ridiculous"

The jump from sega to playstation REQUIRED you to use discs. The jump from ps2 to ps3 required you to have an HDTV. The jump from flip phones to the iphone REQUIRED you to get a data plan. Each generation with inovation comes changes to the conventional way of thinking.

I'm not saying Microsoft is doing this ONLY for innovation. What I'm asking is, are there any innovations that would make this decision more palatable for gamers?

And one more time this is not just Microsoft, it is the ENTIRE industry including PC games.

not to mention the fact that if you have an Xbox 360 or PS3 you arent going the get the best out of them without an internet connection. Period. No game updates, no online multiplayer and no apps for movies/tv/music/etc. Two years ago we had a crazy snow storm in NY and I had no internet for 3 days...I felt like a fukkin caveman when i turned on my 360 or my PS3 (yea i have one).

The nikkas who sit and play single player games 24/7 are a huge minority...consoles are being used for more than gaming now...you know it, i know it..we all know it. I can't wait till Sony reveals the PS4 to have similar features like the X1 so i can see the back tracking and fukkery that will ensue. Welcome to a new age of gaming...ya bish!

 

[BlvdBrawler]

10 years ago if some one said you would be able to access your entire games library from any playstaion in the world they'd say "that's ridiculous"

The jump from sega to playstation REQUIRED you to use discs. The jump from ps2 to ps3 required you to have an HDTV. The jump from flip phones to the iphone REQUIRED you to get a data plan. Each generation with inovation comes changes to the conventional way of thinking.

I'm not saying Microsoft is doing this ONLY for innovation. What I'm asking is, are there any innovations that would make this decision more palatable for gamers?

And one more time this is not just Microsoft, it is the ENTIRE industry including PC games.

That's some hardcore stanning, breh. I can't compete.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

That's some hardcore stanning, breh. I can't compete.

It's y'all doing the stanning. I'm trying to have a real conversation. The op wasn't about either system but the industry as a whole.

As so called gamers we should be able to have these conversations. If you think about it from the business side, something needs to be done for us to continue playing games. Gaming budgets are up, game sales and profits are down. If that trend stays true for this gen then there will be no ps5.

Gamers are so stuck on fanboy wars and childish complaining that they can't see what's really going on.

 

[Fatboi1]

10 years ago if some one said you would be able to access your entire games library from any playstaion in the world they'd say "that's ridiculous"

The jump from sega to playstation REQUIRED you to use discs. The jump from ps2 to ps3 required you to have an HDTV. The jump from flip phones to the iphone REQUIRED you to get a data plan. Each generation with inovation comes changes to the conventional way of thinking.

I'm not saying Microsoft is doing this ONLY for innovation. What I'm asking is, are there any innovations that would make this decision more palatable for gamers?

And one more time this is not just Microsoft, it is the ENTIRE industry including PC games.

You are fukking lying omg
Breh, i can hook up my PS3 to an SDTV but you're saying I'm required to use an HDTV??
I have a phone that's NOT on a data plan and I can use it just fine without it.
SMH @ you mentioning requiring to use discs as a point. nikka, the storage medium got NOTHING to do with this. It's as stupid as you saying, "PS3 came out and it REQUIRED you to use BluRay discs!" No shyt sherlock, it's a bluray player that uses blurays which games all come on. the fukk is wrong with your thinking today breh?

And judging by your post count, you have pretty good access to the Internet. Why does this scenario bother you so much?

My post count =/= to my internet access. One time, my modem wouldn't get a connection to my house for some strange reason and I had to wait a few days for a tech to come in and fix the line. Obviously my connection being 20MB down wasn't "good" enough to prevent this situation. You're stanning and yet calling other people stans?? Textbook case of the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Fatboi1]

not to mention the fact that if you have an Xbox 360 or PS3 you arent going the get the best out of them without an internet connection. Period. No game updates, no online multiplayer and no apps for movies/tv/music/etc. Two years ago we had a crazy snow storm in NY and I had no internet for 3 days...I felt like a fukkin caveman when i turned on my 360 or my PS3 (yea i have one).

The nikkas who sit and play single player games 24/7 are a huge minority...consoles are being used for more than gaming now...you know it, i know it..we all know it. I can't wait till Sony reveals the PS4 to have similar features like the X1 so i can see the back tracking and fukkery that will ensue. Welcome to a new age of gaming...ya bish!

You just selectively ignoring the point everyone is trying to make by countering with extreme situations and obvious things we know about. NOBODY here is saying we WANT an always OFFLINE console and that we'd prefer NOT to update apps and games. NO ONE IS SAYING THAT

We are saying, in the potential event that we just can't connect to the internet for a period of time, we DON'T want our system to be rendered USELESS because it needs to be connected online just to frigging function.

Last year when Sandy hit, I lost internet connectivity for about a week. I was still able to use all my systems, just couldn't go online. Fine. That's understandable as I'm missing a link here.

Now imagine this SAME scenario except on day 2 after 24 hours, I get a prompt telling me the console hasn't been connected online in a day and I need to connect to the servers for verification. Now imagine you CAN'T EVEN BOOT UP some apps and games that should work offline because the way the game is developed, it's always using some sort of internet function to process.

Imagine in the imminent future, you're playing Halo 5 and you lost internet due to a storm, modem/router issue or account problem. Your friends are over the next day to hang out and when y'all try to play halo, you guys can't play offline MP because the maps and certain dynamics of the match are supposed to be working alongside some "cloud" that keeps everything up to date and stable. Now imagine that. It's certainly possible to imagine that.
*awaits the "Fam, I'd just watch a movie or something, I don't need to play games all the time unlike you" post*