Always Online...... Lets discuss

[BlvdBrawler]

Cloud gaming, instant switching between games, being able to access your full game library and your profile through the cloud, new online concepts from developers. Are a few of the "advantages"

Do you feel they are worth it?

I know what a cloud is and I know what gaming is, but I don't know what cloud gaming is. Is that just regular multiplayer gaming? If so, we can do that already w/o an always online connection. If it's something else, educate a brotha.

Instant switching between games shouldn't require an internet connection if a game is installed on my hard drive.
Same with being able to access my full game library and profile.

I don't know what new online concepts you're referring to. I don't really have a problem with my console connecting to game servers for multiplayer or for doing netflix and downloading games from the PS Store or the like, I'm just against the whole DRM aspect of it.

Even with this generation, just playing My Player in 2k13 requires me to sign into the Playstation network. Why, so I don't dupe virtual currency? Who cares, it's my experience let me game the way I want to game, which is offline without the software constantly checking up on me.

This is coming from someone who doesn't play multiplayer console games *at all* tho.

 

[rapbeats]

Forcing you to be online 24/7 is nonsense because you can't control every external circumstance that may prevent you from connecting e.g. storms, connection issues, suspended ISP accounts, location.


The cellphone argument is moot because i can still use my cell phone even if it's not on 3g/Wifi. Imagine you can't open up apps period without an internet signal.

hold on a second. what do you mean by FORCING YOU to be online? they are not FORCING you to be online. to play online vs other players...ON LINE. you have to be...ON...LINE.

to download the updates while you sleep, the box has to be ON...LINE..while you sleep.

this means the next time you turn the game on you dont have to wait for an update.

to update the xbox OS and home screen with new apps, etc from time to time. without you having to watch an update screen for 30 mins. the box has to be ON...LINE while you sleep.

you wanna play games OFF LINE? fine. the xbox works offline. but you may not have the latest updates. you wont be able to play ONLINE if you are OFF LINE.

to those that say what if you couldnt use certain phone apps if you didnt have service. well its the equivalent of asking what if your batter was dead could you still play angry birdS? uuhhhhh NO. your cell phone is ALWAYS ON. is it not? if you TURN IT OFF. you wont receive calls/texts, now will you? NOPE.

go ahead and turn your cell phone off every time you're not using it .. i dare you.

 

[Fatboi1]

hold on a second. what do you mean by FORCING YOU to be online? they are not FORCING you to be online. to play online vs other players...ON LINE. you have to be...ON...LINE.

You missed the point. I'm not talking about playing against others online. I'm talking about the console HAVING to be CONNECTED to the internet 24/7 or else you won't be able to use apps that would work fine OFF LINE otherwise. Them saying the system must be connected online once at least every 24 hours sounds like functionality will be limited and that may affect simple OFFLINE features.

to download the updates while you sleep, the box has to be ON...LINE..while you sleep.

this means the next time you turn the game on you dont have to wait for an update.

to update the xbox OS and home screen with new apps, etc from time to time. without you having to watch an update screen for 30 mins. the box has to be ON...LINE while you sleep.

you wanna play games OFF LINE? fine. the xbox works offline. but you may not have the latest updates. you wont be able to play ONLINE if you are OFF LINE.

They never stated that. They said it must be connected at least once every 24hrs isn't very reassuring. If what you said was the case, there wouldn't have been any confusion about this point because they would've never even uttered the words always online. The frigging Nintendo Wii was always online but if you disconnected it, that meant you wouldn't get live updates; over here disconnecting sounds like you won't get functionality at the basic level.

to those that say what if you couldnt use certain phone apps if you didnt have service. well its the equivalent of asking what if your batter was dead could you still play angry birdS? uuhhhhh NO. your cell phone is ALWAYS ON. is it not? if you TURN IT OFF. you wont receive calls/texts, now will you? NOPE.

I didn't present that argument. You're phone not having service should only affect making phone calls. I think what the guy was saying was imagine no service on your phone meant that apps and shyt couldn't work. That's not the same as a dead battery. We not talking about not having electricity here

go ahead and turn your cell phone off every time you're not using it .. i dare you.

You're misunderstanding the point of the argument. We not talking about wanting to purposefully disconnect the system from the internet, but the fact that it may not even do the most simple things unless it's connected ONLINE such as playing a game is what worries some of us. They didn't exactly come out and give out an unequivocal answer to the question.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I know what a cloud is and I know what gaming is, but I don't know what cloud gaming is. Is that just regular multiplayer gaming? If so, we can do that already w/o an always online connection. If it's something else, educate a brotha.

You can stream games to/from your console, phone, tablet, vita. And supposedly some processing tasks can be done over the cloud, making the systems more powerful. Also you will be able to access your entire games library and your profile from any Xbox/ps4

Instant switching between games shouldn't require an internet connection if a game is installed on my hard drive.
Same with being able to access my full game library and profile.

You don't need to be online to use these features, but if your games are installed and playable from the hardrive, then there must be some type of authentication to make sure your not just installing the disc on a bunch of different systems. So these features indirectly create the need for an Internet connection

I don't know what new online concepts you're referring to. I don't really have a problem with my console connecting to game servers for multiplayer or for doing netflix and downloading games from the PS Store or the like, I'm just against the whole DRM aspect of it.

Things like streaming new art or A.I. into the game in real time. Endless open worlds that can go on indefinitely and be accessed by all your other devices. And I'm sure there is plenty more developers will do with the Internet.

The way the industry works is that developers don't like spending money on things that are not definite. So without "always online" developers wouldn't fully delve into these types of features.

Even with this generation, just playing My Player in 2k13 requires me to sign into the Playstation network. Why, so I don't dupe virtual currency? Who cares, it's my experience let me game the way I want to game, which is offline without the software constantly checking up on me.

So you'd forgo new features for more flexibility/privacy?

This is coming from someone who doesn't play multiplayer console games *at all* tho.

As you can see the "always online" connections are showing up on all types of games even single player ones like 2k13. Will you stop gaming or conform to the new industry standard?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

They didn't exactly come out and give out an unequivocal answer to the question.

Neither did Sony, so would you like to address this concept in an objective manner or would you like to get the fukk up out my thread with this fanboy shyt.

 

[Fatboi1]

Neither did Sony, so would you like to address this concept in an objective manner or would you like to get the fukk up out my thread with this fanboy shyt.

More relief... At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that.

As Sony boss Shuhei Yoshida tells GameSpot, the publisher and console maker never even considered an always-online connection for the PS4. And their reasoning for doing so is not unlike the complaints waged against any always-online system or game: Internet isn’t as readily available as a lot of people like to believe.

“Did we consider it? No, we didn’t consider it. The main reason being that many countries don’t have robust Internet connections. It makes sense for people to have Internet connections to play online games, but for offline games there are many countries that we saw [that] do not really have robust Internet.”

Yes, a lot of people in the US, Europe, or Canada have access to fast and reliable Internet (if you’re reading this, you have access to some form of Internet), but there are parts of those countries where Internet isn’t quite as ubiquitous. Moreover, there are whole countries where Internet service is looked at as a luxury not an essential utility.



If a gamer wants to take advantage of the PS4′s social features they will need access to robust Internet, but those features are ancillary. The ability to share and capture gameplay, for example, is a unique console feature, but it’s definitely not essential. If someone wants to make their way through the Killzone: Shadow Fall campaign sans online connection, though, they can do so.

At the moment (in other words, based on current rumors), it appears a similar offline experience will be possible with the next Xbox, but we won’t know for sure until Microsoft’s event on May 21st. Much like with the PS4, there has been an ebb and flow to the rumors, but for now it seems like always-online is not in either Sony or Microsoft’s immediate futures.

Are you surprised to hear Sony never even considered an always-online console? Do you think they have, in a way, dictated what features the next Xbox should and shouldn’t have?

Sony Never Considered Always-Online for PS4

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Sony Never Considered Always-Online for PS4

The Xbox doesn't require a connection to play games either. Sony just answered the question more elegantly, but they did not deny that some type of authentication would be in place.

So I ask you to think logically. If your ps4 will be able to instantly switch and save games how could this be done without installing the disc? And if the disc has to be installed, how do they prevent people from installing the same disc on multiple machines?

Also why would they need to come up with "solutions" for used games if there was no type of drm?

 

[Fatboi1]

The Xbox doesn't require a connection to play games either. Sony just answered the question more elegantly, but they did not deny that some type of authentication would be in place.

So I ask you to think logically. If your ps4 will be able to instantly switch and save games how could this be done without installing the disc? And if the disc has to be installed, how do they prevent people from installing the same disc on multiple machines?

Also why would they need to come up with "solutions" for used games if there was no type of drm?

Breh Sony CLEARLY said that they NEVER considered always online and even gave reason why. You're creating some strawman argument of "bu bu but they might have some authentication system!!!" NO nikka they did not say anything like that and weren't.

The PS4 most likely will work like this: You install a disc to your system and the game will probably be tied to your account and can only be played without a disc if you're online for verification purposes. Offline you'd obviously need a disc since it would basically be a easy method for pirates. That's all speculation but lets make this clear. YOU DON'T NEED TO CONNECT EVERY DAY AT LEAST ONCE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE ABLE TO PLAY GAMES! THERE IS NO ALWAYS ONLINE SYSTEM HERE.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Breh Sony CLEARLY said that they NEVER considered always online and even gave reason why. You're creating some strawman argument of "bu bu but they might have some authentication system!!!" NO nikka they did not say anything like that and weren't.

The PS4 most likely will work like this: You install a disc to your system and the game will probably be tied to your account and can only be played without a disc if you're online for verification purposes. Offline you'd obviously need a disc since it would basically be a easy method for pirates. That's all speculation but lets make this clear. YOU DON'T NEED TO CONNECT EVERY DAY AT LEAST ONCE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE ABLE TO PLAY GAMES! THERE IS NO ALWAYS ONLINE SYSTEM HERE.

Microsoft clarified the 24 hours stament and said its one talked about scenario, but it hasn't been confirmed yet.

The point of this thread is that games will no longer work the way we are used to. Both consoles will have a system in place to change that. And even going beyond the consoles, developers will make it happen regardless of system architecture.

So I ask again do you think the benefits outweigh the negatives?

 

[Fatboi1]

Microsoft clarified the 24 hours stament and said its one talked about scenario, but it hasn't been confirmed yet.

The point of this thread is that games will no longer work the way we are used to. Both consoles will have a system in place to change that. And even going beyond the consoles, developers will make it happen regardless of system architecture.

So I ask again do you think the benefits outweigh the negatives?

I like the way you just throw that second point in there despite it having no evidence to show for it. Now you're changing up the words like "nah it'll have SOMETHING!"

My answer?? There is no benefits from what Microsoft's been talking about. I cant' think of ANY way I benefit from being restricted with my console.

 

[PS5 Pro]

Even if you play offline you still have to check in every 24 hours on Live! And if you don't your shyt won't play? What is so hard to understand about that!

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That sounds good, but...
Microsoft Xbox One Will Not Require

Microsoft Corp. revealed on Tuesday that its next-generation video game console will not require an “always on” Internet connection, however, many of Xbox One’s functions will depend on the new cloud services by the software giant so significantly that a rapid connection will actually be needed to enjoy the new entertainment platform from Microsoft.

“Xbox One does not have to be always connected, but Xbox One does require a connection to the Internet. We are designing Xbox One to be your all-in-one entertainment system that is connected to the cloud and always ready. We are also designing it so you can play games and watch Blu-ray movies and live TV if you lose your connection,” a statement by Microsoft reads.

Just like its predecessor, Microsoft Xbox One will update itself using the Internet. Besides, it will install games onto a local 500GB hard drive and will ensure that the titles are also updated. What is important is that games and entertainment are stored and saved in the cloud, so one can access them anytime, from any Xbox One, provided that he or she uses his Xbox Live account. Quite naturally, the Xbox One’s social features will also require Internet connection.

But go ahead and put your own "spin" on that. The mods wont change the title

 

[thesandman]

Iconnect my console to the internet to play a game i purchased

wow

 

[Rekkapryde]

Damn I'm ashamed to have the same console as you nikkas riding Microsoft. Having to connect to the Internet every day is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard. Not everyone has Internet. But of course they have to do it to use their other horrible idea of blocking used games. Which they are only doing it cause EA is hanging DLC over their heads. Why do u think EA don't wanna fukk with nintendo. They told EA to take their no used games idea and stick it up their ass.


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Meach keeps ignoring the fact that you HAVE TO CONNECT WITH LIVE ONCE EVERY 24 HOURS. Anyone with a brain knows it's for DRM purposes!

And for those without the internet at home (not the majority of gamers, but still in the MILLIONS), Microsoft has basically said fukk YOU, DON'T COP THE XBOX 1 since you can't play games.

nikkaz keep beating around the bush and grasping for straws, but it's from their own damn mouths! Yeah, you can play offline, but after 24 hours if you don't check in with MS, your shyt won't work!!!!

 

[BlvdBrawler]

You can stream games to/from your console, phone, tablet, vita. And supposedly some processing tasks can be done over the cloud, making the systems more powerful. Also you will be able to access your entire games library and your profile from any Xbox/ps4


You don't need to be online to use these features, but if your games are installed and playable from the hardrive, then there must be some type of authentication to make sure your not just installing the disc on a bunch of different systems. So these features indirectly create the need for an Internet connection


Things like streaming new art or A.I. into the game in real time. Endless open worlds that can go on indefinitely and be accessed by all your other devices. And I'm sure there is plenty more developers will do with the Internet.

The way the industry works is that developers don't like spending money on things that are not definite. So without "always online" developers wouldn't fully delve into these types of features.


So you'd forgo new features for more flexibility/privacy?


As you can see the "always online" connections are showing up on all types of games even single player ones like 2k13. Will you stop gaming or conform to the new industry standard?

Here's the thing tho.

None of that... NONE of that requires an always-on connection. Everything listed here could be done in an on-demand fashion.

Always-on is good for 2 things. Push-based services (nightly updates, RSS, etc) and DRM and that's it.

Nothing about the gaming experience will be enhanced by always-on.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Sony Never Considered Always-Online for PS4

QFT.

Some of Sony's biggest markets are overseas and in in countries with limited or zero ISP service. To effectively eliminate those potential customers is rediculous.

Some of yall being so hard headed it's pathetic.