ALL TIME....THE HEART BREAK KID SHAWN MICHAELS...or the MACHO MAN RANDY SAVAGE...REAL simple

[Kill Dat Noize]

unbelievable reaction. unbelievable pop.

listen that roaring fukkin chant start around the 2:20 range.

shawn does not have pop that rivals this. not even close. and hbk has had more "returns" after long hiatuses away from the ring than just about anyone.

if shawn was truly the bigger star and/or greater wrestler by majority opinion then please point me in the direction of a single instance where he had a room full of people reacting this feverishly.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

what are you basing this on?

Common sense and popular opinion.

and btw you keep arguing that majority opinion favors shawn but then why do the numbers state otherwise?

what am i missing here?

What you're missing is that "the numbers" do not accurately reflect majority opinion, especially comparing different eras and in retrospect.

Here's another example: Die Hard made a fraction of the money that Transformers did in theatres. So according to you, if we poll action movie fans, the majority will say that Transformers is better?

Its pretty goofy that I even have to break this down for you, should be common sense. You still havent found me a top 10 list w/ Warrior ranked ahead of HBK, or even in the top 10.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

I have warrior ahead of hbk on mine, and that's all that matters to me.

Edit: and ticket sales are double (triple if you factor 3D) than what they were 20 years ago. Of course transformers made more money. The blockbuster movie industry has grown expotentially since the 80's

 

[Wacky D]

Furthermore, anyone that is of the minority opinion is probably the result of that person putting a greater emphasis on different qualities or other factors in the first place.
So it is w/ the Michaels vs Warrior comparison.

well thats basically what youre doing, because the only quality i can see that hbk tops the warrior in is workrate.

and if workrate is the be all/end all, then the wwf should be the last major promotion that you view. but hey, people pick & choose what categories are important according to whether or not it benefits their arguments.

now lets compare that to the deadbeat reactions bret hart got when he made his "big appearances" on nitro.

and we already know hbk wouldve got killed by the wcw crowds on-site.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

I have warrior ahead of hbk on mine, and that's all that matters to me.

Edit: and ticket sales are double (triple if you factor 3D) than what they were 20 years ago. Of course transformers made more money. The blockbuster movie industry has grown expotentially since the 80's

1. Even factoring that in, Transformers was more successful. But no one thinks its a better movie than Die Hard. Funny how that works, eh?

2. Now you're starting to get my point. Different eras are difficult to straight up compare.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

So lemme ask you this. In their ABSOLUTE primes, with everything at stake, for all the marbles, one match only.

Who wins. Who goes over.

Warrior or Shawn.

 

[Wacky D]

1. Even factoring that in, Transformers was more successful. But no one thinks its a better movie than Die Hard. Funny how that works, eh?

2. Now you're starting to get my point. Different eras are difficult to straight up compare.

warrior stepped in to hbk's era in '96 and instantly stole all his shine in the wwf with ease.

and they were about to give the strap to the warrior too.

 

[Liquid]

it depends on how one looks at a great wrestler.

to me warrior was a more interesting, more entertaining character. he had more of an aura. more of a presence. and i would rather watch his biggest matches than shawn's biggest matches. there was more at stake.

shawn michaels had a wider variety of wrestling styles and was more acrobatic in the ring, and he was more edgy and provocative. that's about it.

so yea, i think warrior was the greater of the 2.

"Wider variety of wrestling styles" just comes across as you admitting that he is the better worker. Michaels is the better of the two, Warrior just had one of the highest peaks in wrestling history.

I am not knocking it because he was able to make a life out of that short run, but there is no way Warrior stacks up. I don't think he could have kept it up for much longer than he did...you know that as well.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

"Wider variety of wrestling styles" just comes across as you admitting that he is the better worker. Michaels is the better of the two, Warrior just had one of the highest peaks in wrestling history.

you ever watch star wars? was the lightsaber duel in ROTS better than the one in ESB cause they were doing all sorts of cool flips and shyt?

are newer movies better than older movies because they have better special effects?

there's more to pro wrestling than that. being a better "worker" and displaying more acrobatic fight choreography speaks to shawn's ability as in-ring showman, but that does not make him the better entertainer, storyteller, or performer. all of which are more important.

 

[Wacky D]

im crackin up over here at how people are getting on their high-horses and acting as if workrate is suddenly the be all/end all.

especially when talking about the WWE of all promotions.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

im crackin up over here at how people are getting on their high-horses and acting as if workrate is suddenly the be all/end all.

especially when talking about the WWE of all promotions.

It is only important to smarks who would rather look for the strings than kick back and enjoy the magic show.

 

[Wacky D]

It is only important to smarks who would rather look for the strings than kick back and enjoy the magic show.

i could at least see if they stuck to the same approach in all arguments. but alot of these same people will turn around and chit on other promotions with superior workrate, or ignore those leagues altogether.

TSC always been bout that contradictory life.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

you ever watch star wars? was the lightsaber duel in ROTS better than the one in ESB cause they were doing all sorts of cool flips and shyt?

are newer movies better than older movies because they have better special effects?

there's more to pro wrestling than that. being a better "worker" and displaying more acrobatic fight choreography speaks to shawn's ability as in-ring showman, but that does not make him the better entertainer, storyteller, or performer. all of which are more important.

Michaels didnt just have more moves though. Workrate, athleticism, stamina, storytelling, selling, believability, etc. Everything that makes someone GOOD in the ring, Michaels was better at. Much better. Its not even about how good Michaels was as much as it is the fact that Warrior wasnt even good, period. At any of that.

 

[Liquid]

you ever watch star wars? was the lightsaber duel in ROTS better than the one in ESB cause they were doing all sorts of cool flips and shyt?

are newer movies better than older movies because they have better special effects?

there's more to pro wrestling than that. being a better "worker" and displaying more acrobatic fight choreography speaks to shawn's ability as in-ring showman, but that does not make him the better entertainer, storyteller, or performer. all of which are more important.

I think he is though. Michaels was better at almost everything.

Warrior just sucked in the ring man, I don't know what else to tell you. I cannot for the life of me remember a classic match outside of that Hogan match @ WM6. I think him and Jake the Snake would have been a potential classic, but it never happened. Entertainer? I'll concede that for that very short stretch? Sure, Warrior was very entertaining and one of the best runs in my childhood of watching wrestling. It still doesn't go over what Michaels has done though...his DX, nWo work, feud with Brett, Wrestlemanias, and everything else...HBK just did too much overall to be disrespected like that.

Warrior is a legend for the short run
HBK is an ICON for the longevity and bringing it year after year and still keeping people's interest.

That is more important than that short run Warrior had...a run in which I don't think he could have pulled for much longer...the WCW run he was on was painful to watch.

 

[The G.O.D II]

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