All Jokes Aside: LeBron Ruined the NBA: Update Stephen A Agrees

[The Devil's Advocate]

Seems like absolutely nobody listened to what was said......

He blames players and not GM's cause players are not supposed to want to play with each other to win easy rings.. Motherfukkers looked at Jordan and said, I can't wait to beat his ass... Motherfukkers look at Lebron like, I can't wait to join his ass....

Soft

 

[How Sway?]

Nah this started back in 2003-04 (lebron's rookie season at that) with the lakers with karl malone and gary payton.

Tbh i dont blame lebron for going to miami bc Cleveland wasn't looking out for him.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Was Kobe in his prime in 2010? I know you’re going to have a bullsh*t answer so I’ll save you. He wasn’t. You’re smart. Stop playing dumb. No man is in his physical prime at 31 or 32. At best you’re exiting it or on the downward slope. Your prime is from 25-30 which lines up with most players (Kobe, Steph, Bron, Durant, Harden).

Yes Kobe was still in his prime at 2010. Are you gonna claim that prime Kobe won 0 rings?

You can't even read right, that graph shows physical performance at 34 being as good as performance at 25.

And considering that PP, Ray, and KG were never considered guys who relied on athleticism to excel, their actual playing prime doesn't have to line up with their physical prime anyway. In 2007 all three of those players were putting up numbers as good as ever.

31yo KG: 22-13-4 and elite defense
32yo Ray: 26-4-4
30yo Pierce: 25-6-4

ALL of those lines are obviously within their peak, their #'s didn't decline until they had to limit shots to defer to each other.

they were at the tail end of their prime
but the difference is, no one thought garnett pierce or especially ray allen could win a chip as the top guy.

First off, claiming "no one thought Garnett, Pierce or Ray Allen could win a chip as top guy" is bullshyt. KG was MVP of the entire league in 2004 and was still putting up almost the same numbers in 2004. Pierce and Ray were both 25+ ppg scorers in 2007. And this is in an NBA where Chauncey Billups, 2nd-year Wade, and Tony Parker had been 3 of the last 4 Finals MVPs. Of COURSE any one of them could be a #1 option on a title team.

I mean fukking Reggie Miller and Jason Kidd were #1 options on Finals teams in the 2000s but now we're claiming Ray and Pierce couldn't be?

it was the wade and lebron partnership, that fukked everything up. 2 guys who could win a chip as a number 1 option said fukk it, lets just join up, this shyt is too hard lol

Pretending like Bron and Wade were the first legit #1 options to team up for a title is pure bullshyt, did you not even read the thread? Cousy and Russell, Wilt and Greer, Baylor and West, Wilt and West, Kareem and Big O, Magic and Kareem, Moses and Dr. J, MJ and Pippen, Drexler and Hakeem, Shaq and Kobe, Wade and Shaq, etc.....and those are just the obvious ones. You could argue that MOST title teams in NBA history had two different guys who could have led the team. So LBJ was supposed to just wait for that to happen and keep pairing with fukking Mo Williams until some White owner did the favor for him?

 

[Ozymandeas]

@Rhakim You’re so full of sh*t. Kobe was not in his prime in 2010. What is it with Bron Stans and their inability to tell the truth about anything I’m done talking to y’all nikkas. All of y’all are stupid and disingenuous.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Seems like absolutely nobody listened to what was said......

He blames players and not GM's cause players are not supposed to want to play with each other to win easy rings.. Motherfukkers looked at Jordan and said, I can't wait to beat his ass... Motherfukkers look at Lebron like, I can't wait to join his ass....

Soft

Wilt forced his way out of Philly to join up with West in LA. Magic said that he wouldn't have declared for the draft if he didn't already know that he was going to join forces with the GOAT Kareem, he would have stayed in college another year rather than play for the shytty Bulls. Moses Malone as a free agent in his absolute prime chose to join up with Dr. J. Barkley asked out of Philadelphia in order to join KJ and a stacked team in Phoenix. Drexler asked for a trade to join Hakeem and his defending title team.

Acting like "they were better in the old days" and hadn't done this before is pure bullshyt. Just delusional stans reinventing the history of the league in their own minds.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@Rhakim You’re so full of sh*t. Kobe was not in his prime in 2010. What is it with Bron Stans and their inability to tell the truth about anything I’m done talking to y’all nikkas. All of y’all are stupid and disingenuous.

Kobe was #3 in MVP voting in 2010, his 3rd-best result ever.

Kobe won his only MVP in 2008 and finished top-5 in MVP voting every year from 2009-2013. Most Kobe stans say that 2013 Kobe was one of his top-5 offensive seasons. But now you're gonna claim he'd already been out of his prime for 4 years?

So you're saying that prime Kobe never won a ring?

 

[Originalman]

The same Steppin Fetchin A that made a career of covering nba players. Plus makes 10 milion a year due to speculating where players will go for free agency, whether they should team up and how they ain't shyt cause they aint won a ring.

Pot meet sambo kettle....fukk Steppin A and the horse he rode in on.

 

[Originalman]

This is something people never talk about...KJ/Ainge guarded Jordan for the entire 4th quarter of game 6...And the two help post defenders were C.Barkley and M.West......That's a mediocre defense at best.

Actually that suns team played horrible defense. Outside of Richard Dumas (who was very young) and at times cedric ceballos (who sadly missed the finals with a knee injury) they really didn't have any good perimeter defenders. Some people considered marley a decent defender but really he wasn't he couldn't guard quick 2 guards (which is a reason the suns switched KJ on MJ later in the series).
The suns lack of defense was the reason they weren't favored in that finals even though they had a better record, home court and the better offense in the finals.

Throughout the finals series commentators and analyst criticized how poorly the suns guarded the bulls and the paint was so open. They were known to not countest paint shots (outside of mark west) and did not do physical fouls or take charges in the paint. This was brought up in the Jordan 55 point game how no one did a hard foul on MJ or pippen or grant in that game as they performed a layup line in the paint.

As for the suns hell stern had to put in the game 7 call in the western conference to give the suns a record 64 free throws to even beat the young supersonics and get the dream finals matchup. That is also the series where barkley got a T for making a finger gun shooting at the crowd. In one game (not sure if it was game 7) he got a T for doing it and did it again and yet didn't get the second T.

 

[seemorecizzy]

@Rhakim You’re so full of sh*t. Kobe was not in his prime in 2010. What is it with Bron Stans and their inability to tell the truth about anything I’m done talking to y’all nikkas. All of y’all are stupid and disingenuous.

lmao
kobe prime was 2003(or a little later) to around 2008. he wasnt in his prime when they won in 09 and 2010. thats absurd.

he was just still really fukking good.

 

[Scott Larock]

what's happening with the Nets is an embarrassment to the NBA... the seeds were planted by LeBron in 2010... no need for competition, lets just join forces and win manufactured rings.

There's a reason why the ratings and general interest in the NBA is at its all time low.. all under the LeBron administration.


Update: SAS agrees

Gotta agree but Barkley teamed up with Hakeem and Drexler and still lost but you gotta point it's kinda lame.

 

[Big Boss]

Seems like absolutely nobody listened to what was said......

He blames players and not GM's cause players are not supposed to want to play with each other to win easy rings.. Motherfukkers looked at Jordan and said, I can't wait to beat his ass... Motherfukkers look at Lebron like, I can't wait to join his ass....

Soft

 

[Professor Emeritus]

lmao
kobe prime was 2003(or a little later) to around 2008. he wasnt in his prime when they won in 09 and 2010. thats absurd.

he was just still really fukking good.

So your claim is that prime Kobe won zero rings.

Kobe put up better numbers in 2009 and 2010 than he put up in 2004 and 2005, so how did you come up with that flex? What happened between 2008 and 2009 that causes you to say there was some major decline that year?

Hell, his own stans call his 2013 season to be one of the top-5 offensive seasons of his career, but you think he'd already left his prime 5 years earlier?

 

[seemorecizzy]

Yes Kobe was still in his prime at 2010. Are you gonna claim that prime Kobe won 0 rings?

You can't even read right, that graph shows physical performance at 34 being as good as performance at 25.

And considering that PP, Ray, and KG were never considered guys who relied on athleticism to excel, their actual playing prime doesn't have to line up with their physical prime anyway. In 2007 all three of those players were putting up numbers as good as ever.

31yo KG: 22-13-4 and elite defense
32yo Ray: 26-4-4
30yo Pierce: 25-6-4

ALL of those lines are obviously within their peak, their #'s didn't decline until they had to limit shots to defer to each other.




First off, claiming "no one thought Garnett, Pierce or Ray Allen could win a chip as top guy" is bullshyt. KG was MVP of the entire league in 2004 and was still putting up almost the same numbers in 2004. Pierce and Ray were both 25+ ppg scorers in 2007. And this is in an NBA where Chauncey Billups, 2nd-year Wade, and Tony Parker had been 3 of the last 4 Finals MVPs. Of COURSE any one of them could be a #1 option on a title team.

I mean fukking Reggie Miller and Jason Kidd were #1 options on Finals teams in the 2000s but now we're claiming Ray and Pierce couldn't be?





Pretending like Bron and Wade were the first legit #1 options to team up for a title is pure bullshyt, did you not even read the thread? Cousy and Russell, Wilt and Greer, Baylor and West, Wilt and West, Kareem and Big O, Magic and Kareem, Moses and Dr. J, MJ and Pippen, Drexler and Hakeem, Shaq and Kobe, Wade and Shaq, etc.....and those are just the obvious ones. You could argue that MOST title teams in NBA history had two different guys who could have led the team. So LBJ was supposed to just wait for that to happen and keep pairing with fukking Mo Williams until some White owner did the favor for him?

kg was the mvp in 2004, the trade happened in 2007 and after 3 years straight of not makin the playoffs lmao you arent helpin your argument at all. KG was in sota since 1995 and only passed the first round once. people did not look at him as someone you can win with as a first option, he had a rep for being shook in da clutch.

but even if i give you KG, who you can make some what of a argument for, nobody had ray allen or paul.pierce on that class lol nobody saw them as superstars, just really good players.

what boston did was similar to what the rockets tried to do in 95.



lebron and wade teaming up is like magic and bird teaming up on a team ( even though wade and bron werent rivals like that)

also, no one said lebron had to stay with clevland. there were teams both he and wade could.of gone too if they were seeking better teammates and more help and still be compeitive.

instead, they went the NWO route and tried to get the easiest rings possible by doing the least work and havin da least pressure.

it didnt work out as they planned, but they paved da way for other players to wanna do similar things and now kevin durant has mastered the process

 

[seemorecizzy]

So your claim is that prime Kobe won zero rings.

Kobe put up better numbers in 2009 and 2010 than he put up in 2004 and 2005, so how did you come up with that flex? What happened between 2008 and 2009 that causes you to say there was some major decline that year?

Hell, his own stans call his 2013 season to be one of the top-5 offensive seasons of his career, but you think he'd already left his prime 5 years earlier?

kobe didnt win any rings in his prime unless you are saying it started during his last ring with shaq (you can make an argument for that)

kobe was at his peak during those years after shaq left during the smush parker and shyt era. athletically, creativity, and durability wise he was unstoppable.

his team didnt win cause they were trash. in 09 and 2010 kobe had slowed down a bit athletically, but he was a smarter player

kobe in 2010 isnt makin da playoffs with those smush parker teams

 

[Professor Emeritus]

lebron and wade teaming up is like magic and bird teaming up on a team ( even though wade and bron werent rivals like that)

But not like Wilt, Baylor, and Jerry West teaming up, right? Not like Kareem and Magic teaming up, right? Not like Moses Malone and Dr. J teaming up, right? Not like Drexler and Hakeem teaming up, right?

Cousy/Russell is okay, Shaq/Kobe is okay, but Bron/Wade is wrong because only white owners are allowed to do that shyt, players can't put themselves in the best situation? (unless we're talking Wilt, Magic, or Moses, who get a pass)

Why the fukk would Magic go to Boston when he already had a crew of dominant HOF teammates in LA and was signed to them permanently?

also, no one said lebron had to stay with clevland. there were teams both he and wade could.of gone too if they were seeking better teammates and more help and still be compeitive.

instead, they went the NWO route and tried to get the easiest rings possible by doing the least work and havin da least pressure.

Dumbass argument, coming together in Miami put the MOST pressure on them possible.

Your argument is that players should be allowed to build a decent team but not a great team, only owners are allowed to build the best team possible, players should shoot for something less than that for their own fukking careers.