All Jokes Aside: LeBron Ruined the NBA: Update Stephen A Agrees

[Devil Plisken…CMS]

they weren't in their primes and none of them were champs whereas Bosh-Bron-Wade all were under 30 in their primes and Wade had one of the best finals performances ever......2010 Boston wasn't heralded by anybody whereas Miami was known as the Heatles throughout.....keep juelzing

Boston Big 3 in terms of accomplishments prior to coming together....

 

[Professor Emeritus]

in 09 and 2010 kobe had slowed down a bit athletically, but he was a smarter player

But that's what we're saying. Even if you've slowed a bit athletically, your increased knowledge and skills make up for it.

2016 LeBron wasn't the athlete that 2009 LeBron was, but 2016 LeBron was a MUCH better player even though he was supposedly "past his prime" at 31yo.

If that's true for Kobe and LeBron, wouldn't it be even more true for Pierce, Ray, and KG, all of whom relied on their athleticism even less than KB or LBJ did?

 

[Stick Up Kid]

Gotta agree but Barkley teamed up with Hakeem and Drexler and still lost but you gotta point it's kinda lame.

a washed up Hakeem, Barkley and Clyde?

 

[seemorecizzy]

But not like Wilt, Baylor, and Jerry West teaming up, right? Not like Kareem and Magic teaming up, right? Not like Moses Malone and Dr. J teaming up, right? Not like Drexler and Hakeem teaming up, right?

Cousy/Russell is okay, Shaq/Kobe is okay, but Bron/Wade is wrong because only white owners are allowed to do that shyt, players can't put themselves in the best situation? (unless we're talking Wilt, Magic, or Moses, who get a pass)

Why the fukk would Magic go to Boston when he already had a crew of dominant HOF teammates in LA and was signed to them permanently?





Dumbass argument, coming together in Miami put the MOST pressure on them possible.

Your argument is that players should be allowed to build a decent team but not a great team, only owners are allowed to build the best team possible, players should shoot for something less than that for their own fukking careers.

i have no idea why you are talkin about 1 2 punches. no one has ever a problem with that.
ppl develop issues when you have 3 or 4 max level players on 1 team. doesnt matter who built it.

those guys were free agents and they got together and formed a super team..they allowed to do whatever they want, but dont be.mad when fans and ex player say you dont wanna compete and your takin da easy way out.

and it doesnt matter if miami struggled at times, they went into that situation thinking it was gonna be super easy. which is why bron said out his own mouth "this is gonna be easy" lmao

also why they were poppin bottles and havin fukkin victory parades before they even played a game lmao

durant same thing. you had 73-9 down 3-1 in a series and you lost in 7 games. that tells me your current team.is good enough.to.compete.

instead of re-upping and trying again, or going to a different team that has a few.more weapons, you go to the.team.that beat you.

so again, you can do whatever you want, but when ppl say you took the.easy way out or that you arent compeitive, you have to eat that

n

 

[seemorecizzy]

But that's what we're saying. Even if you've slowed a bit athletically, your increased knowledge and skills make up for it.

2016 LeBron wasn't the athlete that 2009 LeBron was, but 2016 LeBron was a MUCH better player even though he was supposedly "past his prime" at 31yo.

If that's true for Kobe and LeBron, wouldn't it be even more true for Pierce, Ray, and KG, all of whom relied on their athleticism even less than KB or LBJ did?

it doesnt work that way.
i dont think you know what prime means
kobe was drafted in 1996, he wasnt in his prime in 2010

 

[Professor Emeritus]

@seemorecizzy earlier today:

no one thought chris bosh could win a chip as the main guy, SO Wherever he went didnt really matter. It was the wade and lebron partnership, that fukked everything up. 2 guys who could win a chip as a number 1 option said fukk it, lets just join up, this shyt is too hard lol

@seemorecizzy after I bodied his reply:

i have no idea why you are talkin about 1 2 punches. no one has ever a problem with that.
ppl develop issues when you have 3 or 4 max level players on 1 team. doesnt matter who built it.

Y'all ain't even slick with it, just pulling 180s on the fly.

So Wilt-Baylor-West weren't 3 max players? Magic-Worthy-Kareem weren't 3 max players? Bird-McHale-Parish weren't 3 max players? Kobe-Shaq-Rice weren't 3 max players? Kobe-Pau-Dwight weren't 3 max players? And going back to the original argument, suddenly we're going to say that Pierce-KG-Ray weren't max players in 2007?

Y'all lawst again.

 

[seemorecizzy]

@seemorecizzy earlier today:




@seemorecizzy after I bodied his reply:




Y'all ain't even slick with it, just pulling 180s on the fly.


So Wilt-Baylor-West weren't 3 max players? Magic-Worthy-Kareem weren't 3 max players? Kobe-Shaq-Rice weren't 3 max players? Kobe-Pau-Dwight weren't 3 max players? And going back to the original argument, suddenly we're going to say that Pierce-KG-Ray weren't even max players anymore?

Y'all lawst again.

you're slow as fukk bro lol
gotta talk to you like a child
wade and bron didnt sign to a team as a pair.
im sayin if bosh woulda signed wit either bron or wade no one would blink a eye. but by combining all 3, they were attempting to make a cheat code

read carefullly and follow lol

no ones ever done what hose 3 did at the time hence the reaction. it changed da league forever.

im starting to think you didnt watch ball in real time and just been on wikipedia all day lol

 

[Ozymandeas]

it doesnt work that way.
i dont think you know what prime means
kobe was drafted in 1996, he wasnt in his prime in 2010

He doesn’t know what prime means and his reliance on stats (which are empty without context) kinda shows he wasn’t watching the game back then. Kobe’s prime was that 2003 to 2008 period like you said which surprise surprise is when he was 25 to 30. He was more mature and more skilled but still had his athleticism. Which is what your prime is. By 2010 he’d clearly lost a step athletically and was more of a jump shooter. He was still really good though. Kobe in 2005, 2006 and 2007 was second only to Mike.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

He doesn’t know what prime means and his reliance on stats (which are empty without context) kinda shows he wasn’t watching the game back then. Kobe’s prime was that 2003 to 2008 period like you said which surprise surprise is when he was 25 to 30. He was more mature and more skilled but still had his athleticism. Which is what your prime is. By 2010 he’d clearly lost a step athletically and was more of a jump shooter. He was still really good though. Kobe in 2005, 2006 and 2007 was second only to Mike.

2005 was one of Kobe's worst seasons.

Why don't you go back to the thread you started about this? Oh wait, you got bodied there and ran away.

 

[seemorecizzy]

He doesn’t know what prime means and his reliance on stats (which are empty without context) kinda shows he wasn’t watching the game back then. Kobe’s prime was that 2003 to 2008 period like you said which surprise surprise is when he was 25 to 30. He was more mature and more skilled but still had his athleticism. Which is what your prime is. By 2010 he’d clearly lost a step athletically and was more of a jump shooter. He was still really good though. Kobe in 2005, 2006 and 2007 was second only to Mike.

ya man
thats how i remember it in real time
dude is just on wikipedia trying to piece shyt together lol

 

[Marc Spector]

if these idiots insist that "koBE wASnT iN hIS pRimE wHeN he WOn a RinG"

then that proves the entire point of player empowerment.It justifies Lebron leaving and unquestionably proves the Boston Big 3 were a superteam.

 

[Marc Spector]

Not to mention these idiots are purposely muddying the waters by correlating "prime" with "production".

For professional athletes in team, "athletic prime" just means the period of their career where they can be expected to do the lions share of work. Its their peak as far as stamina and recovery time.

With that said, many, many players still produce at a high level outside their prime.

In no short order:

85 Kareem
2015-Now Tom Brady
2016 Andre Igoudala
2017-Now Andrew Whitworth
94-96 Hakeem Olajuwon
2020 Lebron
2008 Paul Pierce
2021 Chris Paul
2020 Rajon Rondo

The list goes on and on.

Solidifying someones prime as the time period in which they will produce the highest is flat out a fallacy.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Wilt forced his way out of Philly to join up with West in LA. Magic said that he wouldn't have declared for the draft if he didn't already know that he was going to join forces with the GOAT Kareem, he would have stayed in college another year rather than play for the shytty Bulls. Moses Malone as a free agent in his absolute prime chose to join up with Dr. J. Barkley asked out of Philadelphia in order to join KJ and a stacked team in Phoenix. Drexler asked for a trade to join Hakeem and his defending title team.

Acting like "they were better in the old days" and hadn't done this before is pure bullshyt. Just delusional stans reinventing the history of the league in their own minds.

That’s 5 players over how many decades?

5 players decided to do that on the Nets, this season alone. But I do get your point. I think it’s just astronomical at this point. You have arguably the best SG and best SF in the game right now joining up with a top 3 PG in the game right now.

Not to mention this being done of 3-6 teams as well with other groups of megastars choosing to join up. It’s not different. It’s just more in abundance

 

[Osmosis]

Lebron is the only player whose legacy is elevated after loses.

Nah, Lebron is the only player who is expected to win in every series he's in. No other player in NBA history would have their legacy questioned for losing in situations like this. Lebron is held to a higher standard than any other player in history.

Spoiler

 

[McPiff]

You fukk boys are the worst