"All BAD Things Must Come to an End" - Breaking Bad Season 5: Part 2 Official Thread (SPOILERS)

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dallastexas said:
did anybody else think Jack was going to kill Todd when they were outside after the Jesse tape about him killing the boy in the desert
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No not at all they knew Todd popped the Lil snitch on a dirt bike, jack was pissed o.g snitch Jesse was on tape singing like jlo
 
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A Man Called Hawk said:
Nobody is ignoring the horrible shyt Walt has done to Jesse.

I think you would see more sympathy for Jesse if there were at least a few instances here Jesse really put himself out there for Walt like Walt has done for Jesse on multiple occasions.

The closest things I can think off of the top of my head is Jesse funding Walt's empire from the jump and not giving the word for Gus to kill him. We saw Jesse be down for Mike more than Walt (even though Mike had been manipulating Jesse too).
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Yes they are lol. Lots of people in here are acting like Jesse is just a bytch and that Walt didn't directly cause the bytchassness.

Jesse held down Walt by refusing to replace Walt in Gus's empire. :beli:

That's holding Walt down the same way Walt held Jesse down. Let's not gloss over that and forget we wouldn't even have a show if Jesse said yes to taking Walt's spot. Walt would be dead.

What about Jesse being the one to take down Gale? Granted, he was protecting himself as well, but he could've laid low in that lil arcade and gotten away when shyt cooled down. At that very moment Walt was done for us unless Jesse did the deed.

Jesse held Mike down, yes, but even when Walt betrayed Jesse's trust by bugging his car and condemning him for being a "traitor", Jesse STILL refused to permit the hit.

They both looked out for each other. Period. Jesse is no saint, but he was the more up front and honest one the majority of the time. Walt did a lot more scummy shyt to Jesse than the other way around. Let's just be real. The IMMENSE manipulation of poisoning Brock, pinning it on gus, and placing a fake ricin in Jesses vacuum was just the straw that broke the camel's back and had Jesse working with Hank. Not to mention dude was in the process of doing one last final favor for Walt by disappearing just before piecing the lie all together.

Case in point, it's easy to call Jesse a bytch and a snitch, but IMO that is simple minded and unfair when you look at the big picture.

The greatness of this show allows for us to have these type of debates though, so it's all good at the end of the day. :obama:
 
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23statcity said:
Exactly . I feel bad for hank , holly and Flynn ( even though his hank love is kind of annoying ) but Jesse ? Sorry he's a grown man who cant Make up his own mind and constantly fukks stuff up while being a addict. I like Jesse but wishing him a happy ending idk and his reaction to poisoning Brock as opposed to the death of Drew sharp was kind of out of proportion

Thank you ! That's why I can't root for Jesse to "win" he's a bad person just has a weak stomach and likes to cry .


Carmen ?? Who's that ?
@hexagram23 we haven't seen the picture of Jesse in handcuffs holding the revolver come to fruition yet huh :mjpls: And didn't Jesse hit gale with the nothing personal remark when he killed him ??
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It's funny to me because everyone calls Jesse a fukk up, which he is, he is a fukk up and a junkie. But they forget it or just don't realize Walt is just as big a fukk up. They give him a pass for being a fukk up. Walt was the founder of a company that went on to be worth millions but got outed before they hit it big. Instead of staying in that field or building on his rep he became a high school chemistry teacher making 40k a year. Walt's a genius yet he maxed out at high school chemistry teacher making 40k a year, if that's not a fukk up I don't know what is. And when he finally got into the Meth game how many times he fukked. When Hank concluded Gale was Heisenberg he had to open his mouth. Leaving the Walt Whitman book out. All the chances Gus gave him. He made a junkie is partner. The fact that Walt's a genius really masks the fact he went tit for tat with Jesse in the fukk up department.
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hmmm... idk about that. Clearly Walt got caught up in some bullshyt with the whole grey matter thing. & thats the type of event that would shatter your ambitions.

Walt is alot of things but hes definitely not a fukkup
 
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Versa said:
Yes they are lol. Lots of people in here are acting like Jesse is just a bytch and that Walt didn't directly cause the bytchassness.
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No Jesse is a bytch, Walt didn't cause him to be a bytch. Jesse actions this second half of the season have been him reacting to Walt poisoning Brock, but Jesse has been on some bytch ass shyt since the first season.

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Jesse held down Walt by refusing to replace Walt in the Gus's empire. :beli:
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:what: The hell are you talking about, Jesse ultimately did agree to replace Walt. It took some convincing from Gus but Jesse definitely turned on Walt, the only thing Jesse did was tell Gus not to kill Walt (though Gus made it clear he was gonna do that anyway).



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What about Jesse being the one to take down Gale? Granted, he was protecting himself as well, but he could've laid low in that lil arcade and gotten away when shyt cooled down. At that very moment Walt was done for us unless Jesse did the deed.
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You just said yourself that Jesse was protecting himself.

The only reason they were in that situation to begin with was because Walt drove clear across town to save Jesse's life. If Walt hadn't intervened Jesse would have been killed. Walt wasn't protecting himself in that situation, he was just out there trying to save his idiotic protege.

And you're fooling yourself if you think Gus wouldn't have eventually found Jesse hiding out in that arcade.

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Jesse held Mike down, yes, but even when Walt betrayed Jesse's trust by bugging his car and condemning him for being a "traitor", Jesse STILL refused to permit the hit.
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At that point Jesse basically had proven himself to be traitor. He was clearly becoming more allied with Gus.

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They both looked out for each other. Period. Jesse is no saint, but he was the more up front and honest one the majority of the time. Walt did a lot more scummy shyt to Jesse than the other way around. Let's just be real. The IMMENSE manipulation of poisoning Brock, pinning it on gus, and placing a fake ricin in Jesses vacuum was just the straw that broke the camel's back and had Jesse working with Hank. Not to mention dude was in the process of doing one last final favor for Walt by disappearing just before piecing the lie all together.
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shyt's not even remotely equal. Walt looked out for Jesse WAY more than the other way around. We saw way more instance of Walt actually being concerned about Jesse and getting involved in situations JUST to protect Jesse.

Even in this second half of the season we saw Walt truly wanting not to kill Jesse despite the fact that Jesse tried to burn his fukking house down. Walt only took that final step when Jesse made it clear he was coming for Walt and his family.

And I've already stated multiple times that the shyt with Brock was Walt being backed into a corner (mainly by Jesse). Jesse wasn't trying to help Walt out or let him know what was going on. Skyler gave Walt's money away so he COULDN'T run. It was manipulative as fukk but Walt really had no other choice he had to get to Gus before Gus got him. None of that shyt would have been necessary if Jesse hadn't turned on Walt.
 
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The current mess right now with Walt and Jesse would never had happened if Walter knew his place and didn't have an overwhelming thirst for greed, he's created all these bad situations and Jesse's(who he's needed) actions have made them worse, some of these situations were repairable, others not, though the actual cause has always been Walter. It was over for him the day he met Gus who only needed him because he wanted a trusted associate in Gale to learn the blue meth formula, the probability that Gus would have offed Walter if Gale eventually managed to learn the formula is extremely high, keep around a loose end like that, Gus was a professional, something that Walters tried be, but he's simply just a poor imitation who lets "family" and "emotions" affect his judgement which has ultimately cost him everything.
 
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