man your getting more and more retarded per post bahahhaha
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Clinical presentation of pertussis in fully immunized children in Lithuania
Lithuania....is this your core argument....one country?
Bordetella Pertussis infections in vaccinate... [Clin Infect Dis. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI
here's two peer reviewed journals in a controlled environment that observes symptoms of people infected with pertussis.
If you read the last peer review...people were vaccinated...one with a special vaccine and other group with another special vaccine. Proved nothing of sick un-vaccinated people.
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Unvaccinated children more frequently presented the full spectrum of classical pertussis symptoms than vaccinated children. German study [9] has shown that 90.2% of unvaccinated patients (mean age 4.3 years) had paroxysmal cough, 78.9% whooping and 53.3% post-tussive vomiting. The frequency of paroxysmal cough in fully vaccinated children (median age 11 years) in our study was similar (84.4%), but post-tussive vomiting and whooping was more rare (accordingly 31.3% and 28.2%). Only one 11 years old patient had apnea. The results of our study coincide to those reported from Canada [21]. Of the 103 immunized children (< 5 years of age), 68% developed paroxysmal cough within the first week of their illness and 88% had persistent paroxysmal cough for more than three weeks. Cough generally lasted 1691 days (median 48). A recent study conducted in Israel [10] has documented the clinical manifestation of pertussis in previously immunized children and young adults (median age 9 years). 21% of the patients had paroxysmal cough, 13% showed post-tussive vomiting, 7% apnea and 6% had classic whoop. The classical symptoms of our studied patients therefore were more frequent compared with Israeli patients.
However, we should also take into account other fully vaccinated children who had mild pertussis, but were not referred to the hospital and were not recruited in our study."
Full vaccinated children weren't even apart of the study....another failed argument. You test the un-vaccinated children and then claim.."See only non-vaccinated children get it".
oh damn breh...did you read that?? there are also many vaccinated children with pertussis that don't need to go to the hospital
Why have the study if you don't include the both groups?
" It is known that vaccine-induced immunity wanes and after 510 years makes the vaccinated host vulnerable to infection " oh this too..shows that many adults are succeptible to getting pertussis even though they had shots as a kid because vaccine becomes less effective as you grow..thats why they have adult booster shots..
Booster shots....do what? Show the charts, graphs. Oh that's right they change nothing...
2. Doctors right...like Dentist David Kennedy right..he's defly an expert in vaccinations BAHAHAHHAHAHA
.. you always have crazy scientist in every field..some scientist believe in creationism...so a few scientist opinions > 99.9999 % of scientist
Crazy scientist in every field b/c he gave an honest opinion and didn't fit your agenda. You brought in Magicians as your proof of vaccines remember?
3." I said the babies immune systems are already weak( the weakest they can be ) and yet people want to introduce an outside agent that the body doesn't recognize in it's natural state. " - kingsmen
and i asked you for evidence of why this ouside agents are bad for babies....
Gave you that info already....it was in the post before which you failed to look at.
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Science-Based Medicine » Whooping Cough Epidemic
Historically controlled infections, like whooping cough, have the potential to make a comeback. There is a certain amount of complacence today toward diseases that are thought to be largely a thing of the past. However we are now experiencing a resurgence of some of these diseases, like whooping cough, and while the causes are complex and need to be teased apart,
they are worsened by vaccine refusal which in turn is spawned by an anti-vaccine movement that is spreading misinformation and unwarranted fears.
The Flu comes and goes....the winter comes and goes...but so do opinions and not facts about vaccines. This proves my assumption right....
5.ummm remind me of how i lost hte polio argument
Sanitation, clean water...clean food but you jumped to this...i don't want you to lose what you have gotten better at.