Al Gore: Africa needs “fertility management” to prevent overpopulation and “extreme weather”

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I'm not here to educate you or show you the proper way to critically think.

And I'm not here to square general relativity with quantum mechanics and create a unified Theory of Everything, so let's be aware of our limitations, okay?

Why are you fronting like you're some kind of intellectually formidable poster in every thread? I've never read a single post from you that displayed any sort of intelligence.

 

[The Real]

His point is still incorrect so wtf are you going on about?

The goal should be revamping how nations modernize themselves in regards to consumption and energy use, not overpopulation.

Overpopulation is when a group of organisms outstrips the supportive capacities of its ecological niche. In our case, as humans, that includes the capacities of our human environment- infrastructure, economy, etc. A hypothetical broke family with 12 kids is exhibiting exactly that, just on a micro level, and eventually, it becomes a larger scale problem. Population is closely connected to consumption and energy use, not to mention pollution and industrialization.

 

[Poitier]

Overpopulation is when a group of organisms outstrips the supportive capacities of its ecological niche. In our case, as humans, that includes the capacities of our human environment- infrastructure, economy, etc. A hypothetical broke family with 12 kids is exhibiting exactly that, just on a micro level, and eventually, it becomes a larger scale problem. Population is closely connected to consumption and energy use, not to mention pollution and industrialization.

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/the-overpopulation-myth/#.UulaZmRDvMs

Your last sentence is only true because of how we industrialize nations, which can be revamped.

And I'm not here to square general relativity with quantum mechanics and create a unified Theory of Everything, so let's be aware of our limitations, okay?

Why are you fronting like you're some kind of intellectually formidable poster in every thread? I've never read a single post from you that displayed any sort of intelligence.

Know your place, boy.

 

[The Real]

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/the-overpopulation-myth/#.UulaZmRDvMs

Your last sentence is only true because of how we industrialize nations, which can be revamped.

Yes, overpopulation on a planetary level is not going to happen. I agree. But the population decrease cited in the article comes with development, particularly education and economic, not to mention access to contraception. That decrease only kicks in after a certain quality of life is achieved. Why do you think that India and China, two of the fastest-growing nations, have both 1 bil people each and the most polluted cities in the world? In the short term, population is a problem for any growing nation. If you think Africa is going to modernize in a different way than these Asian countries, I can't agree with that. There's no evidence of the pursuit of an alternative model.

 

[Poitier]

Yes, overpopulation on a planetary level is not going to happen. I agree. But the population decrease cited in the article comes with development, particularly education and economic, not to mention access to contraception. That decrease only kicks in after a certain quality of life is achieved. Why do you think that India and China, two of the fastest-growing nations, have both 1 bil people each and the most polluted cities in the world? In the short term, population is a problem for any growing nation. If you think Africa is going to modernize in a different way than these Asian countries, I can't agree with that. There's no evidence of the pursuit of an alternative model.

I'm not disagreeing but who controls the pursuit of any model? Why not pursue an alternative, and in my opinion, better model for dealing with modernization? I guess Gore has it right if you somehow skip over the antecedent cause, but it's a damn shame we're still using 20th century techniques to distribute modernity.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Yes, overpopulation on a planetary level is not going to happen. I agree. But the population decrease cited in the article comes with development, particularly education and economic, not to mention access to contraception. That decrease only kicks in after a certain quality of life is achieved. Why do you think that India and China, two of the fastest-growing nations, have both 1 bil people each and the most polluted cities in the world? In the short term, population is a problem for any growing nation. If you think Africa is going to modernize in a different way than these Asian countries, I can't agree with that. There's no evidence of the pursuit of an alternative model.

Do you think that has more to do with the number of people there, or the fact that they produce most of the goods for the world which require electricity which use coal factories with outdated technology that produce more pollution then they should. Coal factories that have no EPA regulations Not to mention the fact that most of the major corporations in America have factories in China instead of the United States which puts pollution that would be in the US, in China? Lastly, their cars have no emission standards so this also creates a quagmire. More talk should be given to cleaner energy and more should actually be done but obviously greed plays a big part in this transition. Its so demonic.

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Zale Corporation

All have manufacturing in China with their own factories or contract factories, friend.

Would pollution rise if all US manufacturing was done in the US and if it was, would we need to open more abortion clinics and pass out more condoms?

Its so demonic, friend.

 

[OneManGang]

Overpopulation imo isnt a real issue, but increasing childbirth among poor people and those who cant afford to properly take care of children is an issue. Noone excet

Do you think that has more to do with the number of people there, or the fact that they produce most of the goods for the world which require electricity which use coal factories with outdated technology that produce more pollution then they should. Coal factories that have no EPA regulations Not to mention the fact that most of the major corporations in America have factories in China instead of the United States which puts pollution that would be in the US, in China? Lastly, their cars have no emission standards so this also creates a quagmire. More talk should be given to cleaner energy and more should actually be done but obviously greed plays a big part in this transition. Its so demonic.

AT&T
Abercrombe & Fitch
Abbott Laboratories
Acer Electronics
Ademco Security
Adidas
ADI Security
AGI- American Gem Institute
AIG Financial
Agrilink Foods, Inc. (ProFac)
Allergan Laboratories
American Eagle Outfitters
American Standard
American Tourister
Ames Tools
Amphenol Corporation
Amway Corporation
Analog Devices, Inc.
Apple Computer
Armani
Armour Meats
Ashland Chemical
Ashley Furniture
Associated Grocers
Audi Motors
AudioVox
AutoZone, Inc.
Avon

Banana Republic
Bausch & Lomb, Inc.
Baxter International
Bed, Bath & Beyond
Belkin Electronics
Best Buy
Best Foods
Big 5 Sporting Goods
Black & Decker
Body Shop
Borden Foods
Briggs & Stratton

Calrad Electric
Campbell 's Soup
Canon Electronics
Carole Cable
Casio Instrument
Caterpillar, Inc.
CBC America
CCTV Outlet
Checker Auto
CitiCorp
Cisco Systems
Chiquita Brands International
Claire's Boutique
Cobra Electronics
Coby Electronics
Coca Cola Foods
Colgate-Palmolive
Colorado Spectrum
ConAgra Foods
Cooper Tire
Corning, Inc.
Coleman Sporting Goods
Compaq
Crabtree & Evelyn
Cracker Barrel Stores
Craftsman Tools (see Sears)
Cummins, Inc.

Dannon Foods
Dell Computer
Del Monte Foods
Dewalt Tools
DHL
Dial Corporation
Diebold, Inc.
Dillard's, Inc.
Dodge-Phelps
Dole Foods
Dollar Tree Stores, Inc.
Dow-Corning

Eastman Kodak
EchoStar
Eclipse CCTV
Edge Electronics Group
Electric Vehicles USA, Inc.
Eli Lilly Company
Emerson Electric
Enfamil
Estee Lauder
Eveready

Family Dollar Stores
FedEx
Fisher Scientific
Ford Motors
Fossil
Frito Lay
Furniture Brands International

GAP Stores
Gateway Computer
GE, General Electric
General Foods International
General Mills
General Motors
Gentek
Gerber Foods
Gillette Company
Goodrich Company
Goodyear Tire
Google
Gucci
Guess?

Haagen-Dazs
Harley Davidson
Hasbro Company
Heinz Foods
Hershey Foods
Hitachi
Hoffman-LaRoche
****'s Automotive Products
Hormel Foods
Home Depot
Honda Motor
Hoover Vacuum
HP Computer
Honda
Honeywell
Hubbell Inc.
Huggies
Hunts-Wesson Foods

ICON Office Solutions
IBM
Ikea
Intel Corporation

J.C. Penny's
J.M. Smucker Company
John Deere
Johnson Control
Johnson & Johnson
Johnstone Supply
JVC Electronics

KB Home
Keebler Foods
Kenwood Audio
KFC, Kentucky Fried Chicken
Kimberly Clark
Knorr Foods
K-Mart
Kohler
Kohl's Corporation
Kraft Foods
Kragen Auto

Land's End
Lee Kum Kee Foods
Lexmark
LG Electronics
Lipton Foods
L.L. Bean, Inc.
Logitech
Libby's Foods
Linen & Things
Lipo Chemicals, Inc.
Lowe's Hardware
Lucent Technologies
Lufkin

Mars Candy
Martha Stewart Products
Mattel
McCormick Foods
McDonald's
McKesson Corporation
Megellan GPS
Memorex
Merck & Company
Michael's Stores
Mitsubishi Electronics
Mitsubishi Motors
Mobile Oil
Molex
Motorola
Motts Applesauce
Multifoods Corporation

Nabisco Foods
National Semiconductor
Nescafe
Nestles Foods
Nextar
Nike
Nikon
Nivea Cosmetics
Nokia Electronics
Northrop Grumman Corporation
NuSkin International
Nutrilite (see Amway)
Nvidia Corporation (G-Force)

Office Depot
Olin Corporation
Old Navy
Olympus Electronics
Orion-Knight Electronics

Pacific Sunwear, Inc.
Pamper's
Panasonic
Pan Pacific Electronics
Panvise
Papa Johns
Payless Shoesource
Pelco
Pentax Optics
Pep Boy's
Pepsico International
PetsMart
Petco
Pfizer, Inc.
Philips Electronics
Phillip Morris Companies
Pier 1 Imports
Pierre Cardin
Pillsbury Company
Pioneer Electronics
Pitney Bowes, Inc.
Pizza Hut
Plantronics
PlaySchool Toys
Polaris Industries
Polaroid
Polo (see Ralph Loren)
Post Cereals
Price-Pfister
Pringles
Praxair
Proctor & Gamble
PSS World Medical
Pyle Audio

Qualcomm
Quest One

Radio Shack
Ralph Loren
RCA
Reebok International
Reynolds Aluminum
Revlon
Rohm & Hass Company

Samsonite
Samsung
Sanyo
Shell Oil
Schwinn Bike
Sears-Craftsman
Seven-Eleven (7-11)
Sharp Electronics
Sherwin-Williams
Shure Electronics
Sony
Speco Technologies/Pro Video
Shopko Stores
Skechers Footwear
SmartHome
Smucker's (see J.M. Smucker's)
Solar Power, Inc.
Spencer Gifts
Stanley Tools
Staple's
Starbucks Corporation
Steelcase, Inc.
STP Oil
Sunkist Growers
SunMaid Raisins
Sunglass Hut
Sunkist
Subway Sandwiches
Switchcraft Electronics
SYSCO Foods
Sylvania Electric

3-M
Tai Pan Trading Company
Tamron Optics
Target
TDK
Tektronix, Inc
Texas Instruments
Timex
Timken Bearing
TNT
Tommy Hilfiger
Toro
Toshiba
Tower Automotive
Toyota
Toy's R Us, Inc.
Trader Joe's
Tripp-lite
True Value Hardware
Tupper Ware
Tyson Foods

Uniden Electronics
UPS

Valspar Corporation
Victoria 's Secret
Vizio Electronics
Volkswagen
VTech

Walgreen Company
Walt Disney Company
Walmart
WD-40 Corporation
Weller Electric Company
Western Digital
Westinghouse Electric
Weyerhaeuser Company
Whirlpool Corporation
Wilson Sporting Goods
Wrigley
WW Grainger, Inc.
Wyeth Laboratories

X-10
Xelite
Xerox

Yahoo
Yamaha
Yoplait Foods
Yum Brands

Zale Corporation

All have manufacturing in China with their own factories or contract factories, friend.

Would pollution rise if all US manufacturing was done in the US and if it was, would we need to open more abortion clinics and pass out more condoms?

Its so demonic, friend.

You said it yourself. Part of the reason they are over there is less regulations/ more profit for them by doing wack business practices. Those companies could easily bring manufacturing back to US soil and output goods under FDA regulations. China is polluted largely in part due to their uncontrolled environmental violations which has to do with cheap power for all those people.

 

[Poitier]

Overpopulation imo isnt a real issue, but increasing childbirth among poor people and those who cant afford to properly take care of children is an issue.

Which results from wealth inequality.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Overpopulation imo isnt a real issue, but increasing childbirth among poor people and those who cant afford to properly take care of children is an issue. Noone excet

You said it yourself. Part of the reason they are over there is less regulations/ more profit for them by doing wack business practices. Those companies could easily bring manufacturing back to US soil and output goods under FDA regulations. China is polluted largely in part due to their uncontrolled environmental violations which has to do with cheap power for all those people.

Thats Chinas business to decide how many people they will have. The point of my post was to illustrate to friends that the reason China is so polluted is not beacuse it has a billion citizens and has more to do with industry. I think friends just have a hard time swallowing the notion that there are people in power in this world that want to dictate how many people each nation has.

 

[OneManGang]

Thats Chinas business to decide how many people they will have. The point of my post was to illustrate to friends that the reason China is so polluted is not beacuse it has a billion citizens and has more to do with industry. I think friends just have a hard time swallowing the notion that there are people in power in this world that want to dictate how many people each nation has.

Its interesting you bring that up because even China has decided that their population is exorbitant. But that wasnt my point. You are right, that is China's issue. However if you are going to have that big of a populous, you need to be able to effectively manage the power and energy that populous requires responsibly. China hasnt done that and it shows with their absolutely atrocious environmental record. I think both issues are connected....I believe China does as well as shown by their aggressive research into solar energies.

 

[Chris.B]

fukk a liberal

 

[The Real]

Do you think that has more to do with the number of people there, or the fact that they produce most of the goods for the world which require electricity which use coal factories with outdated technology that produce more pollution then they should. Coal factories that have no EPA regulations Not to mention the fact that most of the major corporations in America have factories in China instead of the United States which puts pollution that would be in the US, in China? Lastly, their cars have no emission standards so this also creates a quagmire. More talk should be given to cleaner energy and more should actually be done but obviously greed plays a big part in this transition. Its so demonic.

Well, the cities are the dirtest places, and they're also the most crowded, but there are no factories in them. The factories do pollute, but in the main problem areas, they aren't a major factor. Plus, New Delhi is even worse than Beijing, and India isn't even a major producer/factory hotspot the way China is.

 

[Poitier]

At some point, supposedly intelligent people will learn to look towards governments/corporations/institutions as the root of some these issues and not citizens. It's ridiculous that we are still using outdated mid-20th century techniques to "update" the world.

 

[Self_Born7]

Afrika needs you Europeans,Americans,Asian, and sell out leaders, to get the fukk out and stop exploiting the native peoples. Not Al Gore and his bullshyt

 

[Self_Born7]

what about when the pope said africans shouldnt use condoms because it was an affront to god

kind of a conflicting ideology

or when the pope say lets pray for the poor and etc.. while he's sitting on a gold fukking throne.