African American is the tribe but Africa is home

[David_TheMan]

I kept them to you. You are a white idiot. With witb a tan ir just plain old cac.

Your reasoning for why you are not african shows a lack of understanding basic ancestry.

I never said I'm not of african descent.
I said Africa is not my home, the US is my home now.

Why this would have you start rambling makes no sense to me, but I don't understand sick people so thats probably why.

 

[HopeKillCure]

I never said I'm not of african descent.
I said Africa is not my home, the US is my home now.

Why this would have you start rambling makes no sense to me, but I don't understand sick people so thats probably why.

You don't understand many things, because you are an idiot.

 

[Scottie Ca$h]

We Are So Far Removed From Africa. S/O To Africa But It's Not My Home Or My Great-Great-Great Grandfathers Home

NOTHING Negative Can Come From Black Americans Forming A Strong Identity

 

[InkosiYe]

I gave him the benefit of the doubt that hearing DOUGIE FRESH say some of these things on camera, or hearing pre "hip hop" djs say these things on camera would make him acknowledge the influence.
I figured, if I wrote something he could just dismiss it as "you don't know what you're talking about", but if he's not going to acknowledge the comments from the ones who were THERE, you can tell that it's a dude that can't concede even obvious points.



oh, and I wrote repeatedly that hip hop is an American artform, created here..by AA,Caribbean and PR kids as a combination of elements from the diaspora.The PIONEERS say this, the video footage from that era showing the artists performing and the crowds in audience confirms this, the demographics from the neighborhoods were it was formed confirm this, the album/record covers confirm this, the early music videos and hip hop documentaries and movies confirms this.

But anybody who knows better than these sources, please correct me.

Word.

Again

What did they add from the caibbean other than their parents immigrant status?

Just explained and posted whole videos about how some of those non af am pioneers used the influences from the non af am music they grew up listening to in order to create their own styles. Dougie Fresh said it point blank in the video. It ain’t just that their parents were born outside the country, their style was informed by their parents’ culture. A lot of hip hop pioneers styles were a blend of influences from the diaspora.


But you don’t want to hear that it seems, you just wanna argue and keep asking the same question over and over

 

[Pit Bull]

I have absolutely no problem with that if it's the truth but it's not.

You nikkas claiming cultural exchange and blending of different cultures when it was really just the children of immigrants assimilating into some African American shyt that was already going on.

 

[InkosiYe]

I have absolutely no problem with that if it's the truth but it's not.

You nikkas claiming cultural exchange and blending of different cultures when it was really just the children of immigrants assimilating into some African American shyt that was already going on.

So Dougie Fresh says that his style was a blend but that can’t be right because Big Lysol from thecoli says otherwise


Yeah I’m done wasting my time here

Respect to everybody in the diaspora that ain’t on the BS tho, and that can respect and celebrate differences without being on the divisive shyt.

 

[Pit Bull]

So Dougie Fresh says that his style was a blend but that can’t be right because Big Lysol from thecoli says otherwise


Yeah I’m done wasting my time here

Respect to everybody in the diaspora that ain’t on the BS tho, and that can respect and celebrate differences without being on the divisive shyt.

Doug Fresh is from the mid 80s my nikka. Hip Hop was not created in the mid80s.

His own personal style might have been a blend but to say rap music is a blend when it's DNA is obviously100% American is a huge stretch.

Who the fukk is being divisive other than Caribbean nikkas talkin about Hip Hop not existing without their presence. In one thread an island nikka said Hip Hop has no roots stemming from African Americans. You nikkas are bat shyt insane

 

[HopeKillCure]

We Are So Far Removed From Africa. S/O To Africa But It's Not My Home Or My Great-Great-Great Grandfathers Home

No you are not. The fact you dangerously say this shows you have no basic understanding of ancestry. You are the least removed people from africans. Look at your ancestry. How many generations do you think youve been in america?

When did you think you were legally allowed to marry interracially and have non-african children of your choosing free of white rape in america??

You are being lazy and simplistic

 

[get these nets]

 

[DillaTUDE]

No you are not. The fact you dangerously say this shows you have no basic understanding of ancestry. You are the least removed people from africans. Look at your ancestry. How many generations do you think youve been in america?

When did you think you were legally allowed to marry interracially and have non-black children of your choosing free of white rape in america??

You are being lazy and simplistic

How is he wrong? Black Americans are 400+ years removed from the continent. There is no real connection there besides skin color.

You can't force a man to identify with something he doesn't want to. It comes across as weird and insecure.

 

[Black Haven]

It’s not that deep it just shows how fickle people are depending which way the narrative is flowing


Look at the Black Panther MCU thread everyone was all Wakanda Forever
Realised a movie doesn’t change real life

“We not Africaaannns”

Look how much Caribbean culture is infused into the music, major artists using the slang especially Jamaican, and references in their music when it’s cool but when it comes to economics

“We not Islanderrrrs yall came here we were brought here”

Stand firm in your knowledge and don’t shake

Let's not act like some islanders aren't on the same shyt and aren't very territorial as well.The quote below is a good example of that,it was a response to rihanna doing Jamaican music

Atleast she really from the islands

yet its fairly OK for Caribbeans like her,Ella mai and, Tank to do r&b music when they don't have roots in it. Its coming off as inconsistent double standards and is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.

Didn't rapping get its influence from toasting which is from Jamaica?

Toasting is rooted in AA jiving/jive talking vernacular. count matchuki who is widely regarded as the first Jamaica DJ was heavily influenced by jazz/r&b jive talking

just in this very thread......we see examples of this juelzing

When Kool Herc(born in JA), Grandmaster Flash(born here of Barbadian parents) and Bambatta(Jamaican American), are brought up as major pioneers in hip hop......dude wrote



Bu bu bu but recently he wrote this



So, Herc,Flash, and Bam are essentially Americans, but I should stop infesting a message board centered around AA and yada yada yada yada and no matter how many episodes of Good Times I watch I can never be one. .

I don't think anyone is denying their ethnicity, I think they are asking what genre or genre's of music they were using during the creation of hip hop.Also I don't know why but, for some reason people seem to like dismissing pioneers such as Coke LA Rock and Gil Scott Heron from these conversation, its weird.

 

[MikelArteta]

if you go to africa no one gives a sh*t if you from america they just view you as a brother.

It's unfortunate some uppity ass african negros that come over to north america distort some of our views

 

[JDH]

Obviously hip-hop is heavily influenced by african american history but I dont think hip-hop could have been born in any place in the world except NYC because its such a melting pot between all kinds of cultures from all over the world. If hip-hop wasnt influenced by carribeans why didnt it start in Alabama or somewhere in the south where all the blacks are african americans?

Disclaimer: I didnt read the thread the thread, I just saw some people fighting about hip hop

 

[HopeKillCure]

How is he wrong? Black Americans are 400+ years removed from the continent. There is no real connection their besides skin color.

You can't force a man to identify with something he doesn't want to. It comes across as weird and insecure.

Im not forcing you to identify with anything. I said before that you are white. I believe 100% that many of yall are indeed white. White in mind and spirit, you only have skin tone in common with africans and other blacks in AA and other diaspora communities.

You can culturally claim whatever you want. You cant change reality. White people in america try to do it all the time and they look like fools. They try to tell people they are not europeans or not from ireland or the UK, they americans!! then when science and history hit them they have to retract the dumbness like, "well im not native, I mean my ancestors are german, italian, irish, and my great grand mother came here after the irish potato starvation thing and my great great grandfather came from germany to find a better life..."

White people cant even escape their ancestry and they the majority in this country. White people are very much European, they are stuck identifying with european ideals and history whether they like it or not because they simply have not existed long enough to be "removed" from europeans like you dumb (white nikkahs)think youve somehow been removed from "africans".

During the 400+ years of being removed from africans, how did you procreate? Did you have children with non-africans?

No, you were africans from like Nigeria having sex with Ghanaians having sex with Congolese, etc,. That is why when you take a ancestry test (that only goes back a few generations) you get a mix of mutiple african tribes. You african mixed with african. talking bout you removed...removed in your white ass minds and mannerisms, yes. Many Yall white in in your minds and ideals for sure..

 

[Black Haven]

Just for emphasis

"Tell the truth, James Brown was old
'Til Eric and Ra came out with "I Got Soul"
Rap brings back old R&B
And if we would not, people could've forgot
We wanna make this perfectly clear
We're talented and strong and have no fear
Of those who choose to judge but lack pizazz
Talkin' all that jazz "