Advanced Stats unappreciation thread

[HHR]

Ok so lets totally disregard the flip play and game winning hits someone could have just of good of an average in the playoffs and have no walk off hits so that stat means shyt. When the Yankees were winning titles in the 90's they werent really outspending people 2000's is when they really started outspending people theyve only won 2 titles in the 2000's. Advanced stats are garbage do you think Casey Stangel or Billy Martin used advanced stats?

Derek Jeter has exactly ONE walk-off his in the postseason. Fewer than Bernie Williams, Alfonso Soriano and Edgar Renteria. And as many as Scott Podsednik, Trot Nixon, Jeff Mathis, Benny Agbayani, Travis Fryman and Tony Womack.

...and stats are meaningless if they aren't walk-off hits?

 

[Mantle Drunk]

Derek Jeter has exactly ONE walk-off his in the postseason. Fewer than Bernie Williams, Alfonso Soriano and Edgar Renteria. And as many as Scott Podsednik, Trot Nixon, Jeff Mathis, Benny Agbayani, Travis Fryman and Tony Womack.

...and stats are meaningless if they aren't walk-off hits?

So what your trying to say is Benny Agbayani is as clutch as Jeter ok thanks thats all I needed to know.

 

[yseJ]

I literally hate advanced stats with a passion they are horrible and are ruining sports and do not reflect the game at all wheather it's baseball or basketball or whatever sport. I don't need stats to tell me Barry Bonds was a beast. RBI's are way more important than these advanced stats let on people can say all they want about ohhhhh the lineup but there really is something to someone being able to drive in runs no matter what lineup hes in.

you are probably the same fukking person who thinks a LT is ass just because at the moment you were watching he gave up one sack.

and in baseball stats are everything....and rbi is a terrible stat.

 

[HHR]

I literally hate advanced stats with a passion they are horrible and are ruining sports and do not reflect the game at all wheather it's baseball or basketball or whatever sport. I don't need stats to tell me Barry Bonds was a beast. RBI's are way more important than these advanced stats let on people can say all they want about ohhhhh the lineup but there really is something to someone being able to drive in runs no matter what lineup hes in.

I don't understand why someone would be this ignorant intentionally.

...and as far as there being something to someone being about to drive in runs, there ISN'T.

Since you brought up Barry Bonds, lets use him as an example.

Bonds run between 2001-2004 is arguably the most remarkable stretch of dominance in the sports history. Disregarding the obvious elephant in the room, no one can argue that anyone else was even close to being on his level during those 4 years. Unless that someone felt like using the archaic Triple Crown/baseball card stats....

Barry Bonds had 438 RBIs over those 4 years. 11 players had more than that...including Brett Boone and Lance Berkman.

.....so was Bonds the 12th best player between 01-04? Or is it cool that I use the "bullshyt" WAR stat that credits Bonds with 47.9 Wins Above Replacement? Nearly 14 wins beyond second place, ARod. And more than Boone and Berkman COMBINED.

 

[HHR]

So what your trying to say is Benny Agbayani is as clutch as Jeter ok thanks thats all I needed to know.

How did you get there?

 

[Mantle Drunk]

Tell the Yankees with bases loaded that RBI's are a terrible stat they would be up 15 games if anyone was able to come through in a RBI situation

 

[Absolut]

holy shyt you are an idiot. kindergarten level baseball analysis

 

[Mantle Drunk]

I don't understand why someone would be this ignorant intentionally.

...and as far as there being something to someone being about to drive in runs, there ISN'T.

Since you brought up Barry Bonds, lets use him as an example.

Bonds run between 2001-2004 is arguably the most remarkable stretch of dominance in the sports history. Disregarding the obvious elephant in the room, no one can argue that anyone else was even close to being on his level during those 4 years. Unless that someone felt like using the archaic Triple Crown/baseball card stats....

Barry Bonds had 438 RBIs over those 4 years. 11 players had more than that...including Brett Boone and Lance Berkman.

.....so was Bonds the 12th best player between 01-04? Or is it cool that I use the "bullshyt" WAR stat that credits Bonds with 47.9 Wins Above Replacement? Nearly 14 wins beyond second place, ARod. And more than Boone and Berkman COMBINED.

No my eye could tell Bonds was better then Boone and Berkman I didn't need to look at any stats to figure that out.

 

[HHR]

Tell the Yankees with bases loaded that RBI's are a terrible stat they would be up 15 games if anyone was able to come through in a RBI situation

Baseball is a game where the GREATEST PLAYERS OF ALL-TIME failed more than they succeeded. I don't think you understand this....

 

[Absolut]

in your buttcheeks baseball analysis, berkman was better than bonds during those 4 years because he drove in more runs

 

[HHR]

No my eye could tell Bonds was better then Boone and Berkman I didn't need to look at any stats to figure that out.

So I guess RBIs are sort of stupid stat then, right?

 

[Bilz]

For me it's eye test or nothing i refuse to let some bullshyt stat tell me that some bum is a good player or some beast is an average player it's really a bunch of bullshyt. Let the stats tell you and it would probably show that Jeter is not a clutch player and we all know that fukkin blasphemy's bullshyt.

In other words, how things seem > how things are

 

[Mantle Drunk]

Listen we can all agree to disagree you can all look at you bullshyt binders and look at statistics and I will go by what I see and know to be true some managers have had success both ways. Do you really think Jim Leyland sits there and thinks of adavanced stats all day probably not but hey Joe Maddon does and hes had very good succes so whatever.

 

[Absolut]

you cant even agree on what your argument is. you said rbis are way more important than other more advanced and relevant metrics, but then you said berkman wasnt better than bonds even though he drove in more runs during bonds stretch. literally contradicted yourself in a matter of a couple posts

 

[Premeditated]

I leave that shyt for the nonathletic whiteboys who have never played a competitive sport in their life.