True but I've seen many people use PER to solely to rank players nowadays and for nothing else.
Advanced Stats unappreciation thread
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True but I've seen many people use PER to solely to rank players nowadays and for nothing else.
Every statistic is subject to the context it was made in.
You have to use large samples of multiple stats, and you get a clear picture.
But don't knock what you don't understand. They are very valuable ebcause they can either confirm or negate what your eyes saw. They are objective.
Watch the game, but understand the value of stats
You have to use large samples of multiple stats, and you get a clear picture.
But don't knock what you don't understand. They are very valuable ebcause they can either confirm or negate what your eyes saw. They are objective.
Watch the game, but understand the value of stats
PER is the best cumulative stat in basketball. But that's just me.
The thing you have to put in context about it is 1) It overrates volume scoring 2) It doesn't equate defense
If you take those two into consideration, PER is a pretty accurate measure of overall production, but shouldn't be used alone, as any other stat shouldn't
Propaganda
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if you don't like advanced stats, then you shouldn't like stats period.
just like the regular raw numbers, they are to be used in conjunction with the "eye test" and just like the regular raw numbers, they don't tell the whole story. just a more accurate version of it.
just like the regular raw numbers, they are to be used in conjunction with the "eye test" and just like the regular raw numbers, they don't tell the whole story. just a more accurate version of it.
The only stat i throw right in the bushes is winshares....and the reference sites live and die by this stat
Bilz
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I can't recall ever seeing anyone doing it
I see people list who the PER leaders are, but as far as directly relating it to Player A > Player B, no.
Mantle Drunk
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For me it's eye test or nothing i refuse to let some bullshyt stat tell me that some bum is a good player or some beast is an average player it's really a bunch of bullshyt. Let the stats tell you and it would probably show that Jeter is not a clutch player and we all know that fukkin blasphemy's bullshyt.
Well.....the stats say Derek Jeter is probably the greatest offensive SS in the last 50 years.....but isn't necessarily the most clutch
Stats in context > One mans eye test
Mantle Drunk
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Exactly my point Jeters merits are built on him being clutch but stats try to disprove it. Look at how many managers have been succesful in the past with out the advance stats. Joe Torres is a perfect example of that.
The Yankees won titles because they outspent everyone and had better players than everyone. On a level playing field, disregarding advanced statistics is irresponsible of a manager.
And Jeter isn't especially clutch. That's a myth.
The Myth of the Clutch Derek Jeter - Sports - Maroon News - Colgate University
"Jeter is a career .317 hitter in the regular season. Any statistic that can be argued as an indicator of clutch shows Jeter does worse than his career average. Jeter is a career .317 hitter with runners on base and he is a .308 hitter with runners in scoring position. He has a .295 batting average after the seventh inning in either a tie or one-run game and, in the postseason, Jeter is a .310 hitter (he holds the record for most postseason games played). What do all these statistics mean? Simply, in clutch situations, Jeter's statistical performance is no different than in non-clutch situations."
He's a terrific player is what he is, and playing to his averages in clutch situations through a career that has had many deep playoff runs gave him some great moments. But realistically speaking, his reputation is stretched by fans.
All this thread proves is that statistics should be left to the experts
Or folks with math based degrees
Meaning journalist and regular sports folk should step allllllll the way the fukk back
Or folks with math based degrees
Meaning journalist and regular sports folk should step allllllll the way the fukk back
Mantle Drunk
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Ok so lets totally disregard the flip play and game winning hits someone could have just of good of an average in the playoffs and have no walk off hits so that stat means shyt. When the Yankees were winning titles in the 90's they werent really outspending people 2000's is when they really started outspending people theyve only won 2 titles in the 2000's. Advanced stats are garbage do you think Casey Stangel or Billy Martin used advanced stats?
Absolut
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This is why the eye-test doesn't really work.
Everyone has their own preconceptions about a players ability, and it's human nature to then overvalue things you see that back-up those beliefs while dismissing anything that might refute it.
Jeter earned his 'clutch' reputation thanks to early success in the postseason, both individual and team and a few incredible moments. The problem is that once he earned the label, he seemed immune from data that opposed it...
I mean, in the '01 World Series he .148/.179/.259......
But no one questioned his "clutchness".The fact is that he's the same player regardless of the situation.
And also, he's a shytty defender.
Mantle Drunk
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I literally hate advanced stats with a passion they are horrible and are ruining sports and do not reflect the game at all wheather it's baseball or basketball or whatever sport. I don't need stats to tell me Barry Bonds was a beast. RBI's are way more important than these advanced stats let on people can say all they want about ohhhhh the lineup but there really is something to someone being able to drive in runs no matter what lineup hes in.