Aaliyah = Cieara

[Dboy41]

in the 90s, Beyonce was part of a group. Of course she couldnt shine like she was supposed to.....see what happened when she dropped dangerously in love? Had nothing to do with her maturing her voice. She has always been a dynamic singer. I can't believe I'm having a beyonce vs Aaliyah Convo..

And where did beyonce play a singer over and over again....and even if all her movies was of her singing, you know why that is? Because she can sing. I can bet if Aaliyah was alive, she wouldn't have stared in a movie that showcased her singing.

Do you believe Aaliyah would have ever been able to hold her own in a movie co-starring Jennifer Hudson?

And Aaliyah didn't make nothing. She was coached by greats.(r-kelly, missy, timbo) They made the songs and styles not her. Beyonce always had natural talent from the gate.

Beyonce was the lead singer and she sung 90% of every song they had. Her being in a group is no excuse. Coko from swv used to sing her ass off. Beyonce just practiced her voice and took many vocal lessons. Who knows if Aaliyah wouldnt have done the same?

Beyonce plays a singer over and over because she cant act. Whats the point of playing yourself?

And fyi, Aaliyah was already signed on to star in Sparkle (which is basicslly dream girls) alongside WHITNEY HOUSTON. Not some cheap wannabe like jhud.

Beyonce couldnt even hold her own with jhud, thats why jhud won all those awards for that movie, and bey did not.

Aaliyahs style was her own. She chose to sang the way she did on those records. Go watch Aaliyah on star search, her vocal style was always the same before she even met them. Her musical style started a trend that you see today. Beyonce is just your typical screamer.

And you didnt think beyonce was coached? She had vocal lessons. Aaliyah had her musical team, and Beyonce does too (her cousin writes most of her music) the only difference is that AALIYAH gave her team credit, beyonce doesnt and takes all the credit when she only changes a word or two in a song

 

[Wacky D]

Beyonce had time to mature and practice her voice though. Look up any beyonce performance from the 90s and she sounded terrible.

Better actress? Beyonce plays the same roles over and over again- a singer. Aaliyah took on more challenging and interesting roles, such as playing a vampire.

Aaliyah made songs her way as well. How many singers in the 90s-early 2000s were singing in falsetto over bassy hip hop beats? Aaliyah created that same lane that mya, ciara, tinashe etc follow.

lol. r.kelly gave aaliyah her style, and he bit that style off of other singers.

mya has absolutely nothing in common with aaliyah aside from being a '90s teen singer. i havnt heard anything from tinashe that would put her in the aaliyah "lane" either.

Beyonce was the lead singer and she sung 90% of every song they had. Her being in a group is no excuse. Coko from swv used to sing her ass off. Beyonce just practiced her voice and took many vocal lessons. Who knows if Aaliyah wouldnt have done the same?

Beyonce plays a singer over and over because she cant act. Whats the point of playing yourself?

And fyi, Aaliyah was already signed on to star in Sparkle (which is basicslly dream girls) alongside WHITNEY HOUSTON. Not some cheap wannabe like jhud.

aaliyah was being groomed since the '80s. if she still couldnt sing a lick in 2001, then it just wasnt in the cards for her. let it go.

and beyonce at her worst vocally still styles all over aaliyah on her best day, and im not even big on beyonce's vocals.

compare sparkle to dream girls vocally brehs. ashanti was tagged to play in sparkle as well. and i'd marry ashanti but shes no vocalist.

 

[user1]

I couldn't imagine anybody but Aaliyah singing on her songs...Aaliyahs image and relatability added to her greatness and has to factor into her appeal....She was seen as the girl next door to nikkas nationwide after watching her blossom from tomboy to a bad chick......and to females she had that relateability and was like they homegirl....at least compare her to Rhianna if you must compare....it aint easy getting the love aaliyah got....Ciara is more Mya

Ciara is not Mya. Mya actually writes, produces, arranges and engineers her music now.

 

[Wacky D]

most aaliyah fans are to r&b what eminem fans are to hip-hop.

just get the f*ck out.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

1. AAliyah's music is considerably better than Ciara's though vocally they MIGHT be equal.
2. AAliyah could never match beyonce vocally,though i'm a bigger fan of AAliyah's music.

 

[user1]

You're agreeing that Aaliyah gets mentioned more right? It doesn't matter that she died. Death doesn't impact a lot of careers in the way that it does others. Pun died, but even his best effort Capital Punishment isn't an album that's discussed in the same breath as It's Dark And Hell Is Hot. Pun passed and X is still alive, yet It's Dark And Hell Is Hot is the album that's canonized and not Pun's debut. In regard to Aaliyah, Brandy, and Monica: both sold more than Aaliyah, but their music didn't have the impact. They even had bigger hits. Yet people speak on how classic and groundbreaking Aaliyah's music was.

G's album came three months after Aaliyah's. In the short space between their albums, it's the "One In A Million" song by Aaliyah that's credited with introducing Tim's signature sound to the mainstream.

A lot of people could've sang Aaliyah's songs, but it probably wouldn't have been a perfect fit. For example, "One In A Million" had different lyrics and a different title before they changed it to fit Aaliyah.

Hit records aren't always sampled and a song doesn't necessarily have to be a hit to be sampled. People sample songs because they are inspired by that song and that song impacted them in some type of way.

I was reading this in the car yesterday and had to come post in here.

Ya'll rewriting history.

Aaliyah was 3rd always behind Brandy and Monica in the youth RnB lane. They were both huge stars and both came of age and translated to success as adults. Monica was always less mainstream but Brandy blew the fukk up. She had a VERY popular TV show, did movies and was greatly co-signed by legends. shyt even Timbaland made an album with her after Aaliyah's death. Monica has timeless RnB ballads and music in general. People still check for her albums and she has stayed in the game based on her TALENT. shyt, she took years off between albums and was still successful in this digital age. She is also co-signed by legends. If that even matters.

And Aailyah's biggest hits never crossed over like that. She was starting to get a push with Are You That Somebody but Brandy and Monica still had the biggest song with The Boy Is Mine. That song was fukking explosive. It was breaking Beatles/Elvis type records. Ya'll are tripping to even compare that .

When Try Again hit I think that was Aaliyah's biggest song to date. And with that her last album was still NOT selling well. It was below expectations in the age when artists of her visibility were going multi platinum easily. It did not even take off and when she was getting press for that movie (I think Queened of The Damned) people were worried the movie wouldn't do well because here music NEVER translated and sold like that. (And I still don't think the movie did that well ) She was always middle of the road for RnB females. BUT she was praised for her "presence," style, fashion (which OP or someone else already made a good point that TLC and, I will add, Salt N Pepa ALREADY did that tomboy style) and her dancing. And people ALWAYS questioned her vocals compared to her contemporaries. Be real. There were more RnB SINGERS mainstream in the 90s than there are today and Aaliyah was never revered for her singing/voice. I mean people still complain about music today compared to the talent you had to have to blow back then.

And sadly, if it were not for her death her music would not be as revered today. Because she was possibly on the cusp of falling off mainstream wise. Just like Ginuwine (who did fall off musically and visibly) was starting to decline at the time and they were both produced by that camp . Timb and Missy were still hot on their own and had a MAJOR HAND in their success. And I don't think there is anyting wrong with that because no artist or person is successful without a good TEAM. But Aaliyah's star was definietly starting to dim. Not to mention around that time Beyonce, Alicia Keys and a new crop of solo artist were cropping up and SELLING and becoming popular to surpass her.

I think OP statements are correct but he didn't necessarily state it so nicely . Aaliyah is in the Ciara lane, in the sense she was never the hottest female artist but had a SOLID fan base and following. She just never translated well outside of that. shyt Ciara had Polow The Don and Jazzy Pha (sp) that helped propel her similar to Aaliyah and Timbo and MIssy. I don't think its a knock against Aaliyah to say this. She was talented but WAS NOT some RnB Legend people try to make her out to be after death. And yes, she has a nice greatest hits catalogue but she ain't no legend.

Sidenote: I think most these dudes jock her because out of the RnB females back then Aaliyah was considered the prettiest and "most fukkable." Stop thinking with yo dikk and smarten up Nas.

This was a good thread though. I enjoyed reading it.

 

[user1]

most aaliyah fans are to r&b what eminem fans are to hip-hop.

just get the f*ck out.

 

[SirBiatch]

for all these Brandy and Monica fans, can you please tell me who they've influenced in the game today? Direct obvious connections, please. Not the ones in your head.

We already know fukkbois such as Drake/J Cole/Chris Brown and now T-Pain have used Aaliyah in some form/fashion to help their career.

 

[JustCKing]

I was reading this in the car yesterday and had to come post in here.

Ya'll rewriting history.

Aaliyah was 3rd always behind Brandy and Monica in the youth RnB lane. They were both huge stars and both came of age and translated to success as adults. Monica was always less mainstream but Brandy blew the fukk up. She had a VERY popular TV show, did movies and was greatly co-signed by legends. shyt even Timbaland made an album with her after Aaliyah's death. Monica has timeless RnB ballads and music in general. People still check for her albums and she has stayed in the game based on her TALENT. shyt, she took years off between albums and was still successful in this digital age. She is also co-signed by legends. If that even matters.

And Aailyah's biggest hits never crossed over like that. She was starting to get a push with Are You That Somebody but Brandy and Monica still had the biggest song with The Boy Is Mine. That song was fukking explosive. It was breaking Beatles/Elvis type records. Ya'll are tripping to even compare that .

When Try Again hit I think that was Aaliyah's biggest song to date. And with that her last album was still NOT selling well. It was below expectations in the age when artists of her visibility were going multi platinum easily. It did not even take off and when she was getting press for that movie (I think Queened of The Damned) people were worried the movie wouldn't do well because here music NEVER translated and sold like that. (And I still don't think the movie did that well ) She was always middle of the road for RnB females. BUT she was praised for her "presence," style, fashion (which OP or someone else already made a good point that TLC and, I will add, Salt N Pepa ALREADY did that tomboy style) and her dancing. And people ALWAYS questioned her vocals compared to her contemporaries. Be real. There were more RnB SINGERS mainstream in the 90s than there are today and Aaliyah was never revered for her singing/voice. I mean people still complain about music today compared to the talent you had to have to blow back then.

And sadly, if it were not for her death her music would not be as revered today. Because she was possibly on the cusp of falling off mainstream wise. Just like Ginuwine (who did fall off musically and visibly) was starting to decline at the time and they were both produced by that camp . Timb and Missy were still hot on their own and had a MAJOR HAND in their success. And I don't think there is anyting wrong with that because no artist or person is successful without a good TEAM. But Aaliyah's star was definietly starting to dim. Not to mention around that time Beyonce, Alicia Keys and a new crop of solo artist were cropping up and SELLING and becoming popular to surpass her.

I think OP statements are correct but he didn't necessarily state it so nicely . Aaliyah is in the Ciara lane, in the sense she was never the hottest female artist but had a SOLID fan base and following. She just never translated well outside of that. shyt Ciara had Polow The Don and Jazzy Pha (sp) that helped propel her similar to Aaliyah and Timbo and MIssy. I don't think its a knock against Aaliyah to say this. She was talented but WAS NOT some RnB Legend people try to make her out to be after death. And yes, she has a nice greatest hits catalogue but she ain't no legend.

Sidenote: I think most these dudes jock her because out of the RnB females back then Aaliyah was considered the prettiest and "most fukkable." Stop thinking with yo dikk and smarten up Nas.

This was a good thread though. I enjoyed reading it.

I wasn't going to post any more in this thread, but thought about starting another in regard to Aaliyah/Brandy/Monica. Here are some facts and some of them are surprising:

LADIES OF THE '80s, AND '90s

Hi Gary,

I noticed you've been keeping a tally on divas, such as Whitney Houston, Madonna and Janet Jackson, all of whom rose to stardom in the '80s. I was wondering if you could offer any sales rankings and chart feats of female singers who arrived in the '90s, such as Brandy, Monica, Mya, and the late Aaliyah. Among them, who's leading the pack?

Thanks,

Carl Kennedy
Baltimore, Maryland

Hi Carl,

Here are how the divas (divettes?) that you mention rank in career album sales, according to Nielsen SoundScan:


8,621,000, Brandy
8,151,000, Aaliyah
4,809,000, Monica
3,211,000, Mya


On the Billboard Hot 100, Brandy has charted 17 entries, Aaliyah and Monica 14 each and Mya 12. Aaliyah and Mya have notched one No. 1 apiece, Brandy two and Monica three. The latter two sums include Brandy and Monica's duet "The Boy Is Mine," which led the Hot 100 for 13 weeks in 1998.


http://www.billboard.com/articles/c...how-popular-is-country-music-1004018336.story


* I've read that Aaliyah sold around 3.5 million albums total after death, which still puts her neck and neck with Monica.

 

[KingMalik]

lol. r.kelly gave aaliyah her style, and he bit that style off of other singers.

mya has absolutely nothing in common with aaliyah aside from being a '90s teen singer. i havnt heard anything from tinashe that would put her in the aaliyah "lane" either.





aaliyah was being groomed since the '80s. if she still couldnt sing a lick in 2001, then it just wasnt in the cards for her. let it go..

Stop being a cornball. Aaliyah is a year, 2 years older than Beyoncé. They were basically the same age. Aaliyah was 21, 22 when she died. You saying she wouldn't have gotten better It burns Beyoncé fans that she done been around for damn near 20 years yet Aaliyah has about the same amount of classic songs What dude playing Girls, Diva or Crazy in Love? But that same dude will throw on Best Friend or If Your Girl Only Knew because it's funky as hell

 

[Wacky D]

for all these Brandy and Monica fans, can you please tell me who they've influenced in the game today? Direct obvious connections, please. Not the ones in your head.

We already know fukkbois such as Drake/J Cole/Chris Brown and now T-Pain have used Aaliyah in some form/fashion to help their career.

LOL. if you need to ask that question, then you shouldnt be in here arguing. you obviously arent into r&b if a question like that even enters your mind.

btw, capitalizing off the legacy of a singer who wouldnt have much of a legacy if they were alive is nothing to brag about.

and drake wasnt even around when this stuff was going on. cole ass prolly wasnt really there either. dudes just following the hype train. whats funny is t-pain himself even low-key stated that this chit is just propaganda.

 

[KingMalik]

alot of the typical aaliyah fans trying to flood this thread all late.

you know the types:
- the ones that dont like r&b but like her image(lol) and beats.
- the ones that werent around back then, so they fall for the revisionist okey-doke.
- and then theres the people who fall under both of those categories.






lol. how old are you?

all that stuff happened AFTER she died.

when the album was out BEFORE she passed, it was lukewarm.

You clown. Aaliyah's last album was Gold before she died. It was only 8 weeks between the release and her death. It was her highest debut album in record sales. None of her albums sold big first week numbers. They sold over the course of 1-2 years as they pushed 4-5 singles from the album.


For example, One in a Million sold 40,000 copies first week. Big numbers huh? They pushed 6 singles off the album, the last one a year after the album came out and ended up going 2x platinum, 10x platinum worldwide. Her last album sold 187,000 first week. That's almost 5x more than 40,000 first week, so how was she was falling off She died 8 weeks after that. You sounding mad foolish right now

 

[JustCKing]

Also consider this:

Aaliyah, Aaliyah's third album dropped in July of 2001. It sold 187K in week one. In a little over a month, it was close to Gold. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaliyah_(album)

Brandy's Full Moon, also her third album, sold 155K in week one. It sold 700K in three months and eventually went platinum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Moon_(Brandy_album)

Monica's third album, All Eyez On Me, was slated for a 2002 release, but was shelved. It's not the same as After The Storm even though a few of the songs from this ended up on After The Storm.

 

[Wacky D]

Stop being a cornball. Aaliyah is a year, 2 years older than Beyoncé. They were basically the same age. Aaliyah was 21, 22 when she died. You saying she wouldn't have gotten better It burns Beyoncé fans that she done been around for damn near 20 years yet Aaliyah has about the same amount of classic songs What dude playing Girls, Diva or Crazy in Love? But that same dude will throw on Best Friend or If Your Girl Only Knew because it's funky as hell

im a beyonce fan now? just because im not cosigning this nonsnse?

aaliyah been in the industry practically her whole life. her aunt GLADYS KNIGHT had her singing backup on stage when she was a little kid. if she still couldnt sing by 22, then obviously, common sense says that its just not in the cards.

beyonce was never a knockout vocalist and she still isnt, but at least she could actually sing.

and lol @ the rest of this nonsense. more proof that you dudes need to just stick to rap.

You clown. Aaliyah's last album was Gold before she died. It was only 8 weeks between the release and her death. It was her highest debut album in record sales. None of her albums sold big first week numbers. They sold over the course of 1-2 years as they pushed 4-5 singles from the album.


For example, One in a Million sold 40,000 copies first week. Big numbers huh? They pushed 6 singles off the album, the last one a year after the album came out and ended up going 2x platinum, 10x platinum worldwide. Her last album sold 187,000 first week. That's almost 5x more than 40,000 first week, so how was she was falling off She died 8 weeks after that. You sounding mad foolish right now

further proof that you werent around.

those numbers were not good considering the climate and what the other established names were doing. especially with her being a high-profile crossover act.

and you up here number-crunching with no sense of things like impact & such, which renders your post pointless from jumpstreet.

ole wikipedia ass young bul.

 

[KingMalik]

And all the piff Timberland was giving to Justin Timberlake and Nelly Furtado, you out your rabbit azz mind if you don't think he wouldn't have gave that to Aaliyah. Timb always said she was his greatest muse. All the number one records he gave to Nelly Furtado would've had Aaliyah on superstar status.