A Wiseman Told Me Never Argue With Fools: Official 2021 Warriors Season Thread

[KingBeez]

The odds of drafting Wiseman are fading with each passing day.

They’re gonna get Deni Avdija

blame Luka for these future euro boys getting drafted higher than they should, fukking up teams trying to find Luka 2.0

 

[BlaqkSpliffin]

That’s true. They don’t have much of a future after trading for AD.

but they do have excellent chemistry as a team which you can’t quantify. I think as long as they have Bron and AD, the Lakers will always be a threat to any team

A contender? Sure. Favorites? No way in hell. Too much depends on Kuzma, Rondo, KCP, and Danny Green to step up consistently. They're the second best team tho.

 

[BlaqkSpliffin]

They’re gonna get Deni Avdija

blame Luka for these future euro boys getting drafted higher than they should, fukking up teams trying to find Luka 2.0

Issac Okoro incoming

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

They’re gonna get Deni Avdija

blame Luka for these future euro boys getting drafted higher than they should, fukking up teams trying to find Luka 2.0

Issac Okoro incoming

Damn shame they put out so many messages that I think both of y'all can be right

 

[Don Homer]

The odds of drafting Wiseman are fading with each passing day.

wiseman has the potential to do all those things tho

 

[BlaqkSpliffin]

Damn shame they put out so many messages that I think both of y'all can be right

They doing it on purpose to gauge the trade market. Wiseman ain't out the picture yet tho. Especially since we need legit size.

"I think we need to be more athletic, for sure," Steve Kerr said Wednesday on "The TK Show" podcast with The Athletic's Tim Kawakami. "We're obviously very skilled. But we don't have an overly athletic team.

"We've lost a lot of bounce and a lot of pop on the wings -- even at the center position. (So) right now, we're not big enough or athletic enough to get where we want to be. But we all know that.

Everybody loves wings right now but Kerr loves him some centers. He tried so hard to make Damian Jones a thing

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

They doing it on purpose to gauge the trade market. Wiseman ain't out the picture yet tho. Especially since we need legit size.

"I think we need to be more athletic, for sure," Steve Kerr said Wednesday on "The TK Show" podcast with The Athletic's Tim Kawakami. "We're obviously very skilled. But we don't have an overly athletic team.

"We've lost a lot of bounce and a lot of pop on the wings -- even at the center position. (So) right now, we're not big enough or athletic enough to get where we want to be. But we all know that.

Everybody loves wings right now but Kerr loves him some centers. He tried so hard to make Damian Jones a thing

Don't get me started on Jones....he's probably the reason they're hesitant to draft a center that's more athleticism than skill. That boy was soft tho.

 

[Don Homer]

They doing it on purpose to gauge the trade market. Wiseman ain't out the picture yet tho. Especially since we need legit size.

"I think we need to be more athletic, for sure," Steve Kerr said Wednesday on "The TK Show" podcast with The Athletic's Tim Kawakami. "We're obviously very skilled. But we don't have an overly athletic team.

"We've lost a lot of bounce and a lot of pop on the wings -- even at the center position. (So) right now, we're not big enough or athletic enough to get where we want to be. But we all know that.

Everybody loves wings right now but Kerr loves him some centers. He tried so hard to make Damian Jones a thing

wiseman definitely has more upside than Damian Jones

i feel like the answer is so simple. Wiseman helps solve many issues we have: size, athleticism, rim protection, interior defense, rebounding

I remember when the Spurs drafted Kawhi. They let go of Gerge Hill who was LOVED on that team. They needed size and realized if they wanna compete, they gotta get bigger. Kawhi was a raw role player, but he made a HUGE difference way before he was the Kawhi we know now

That's where we are at right now. Wiseman doesnt need to be a breakout superstar. He just needs to be an effective role player. Getting him on a rookie deal would be excellent, and far better than any other center. Baynes already is an NBA champion, so he's gonna go to a place that offers him the most money. And other teams currently have much more than we can offer

 

[Don Homer]

What do y’all think of this guy??

 

[Flex Luger]

 

[BlaqkSpliffin]

wiseman definitely has more upside than Damian Jones

i feel like the answer is so simple. Wiseman helps solve many issues we have: size, athleticism, rim protection, interior defense, rebounding

I remember when the Spurs drafted Kawhi. They let go of Gerge Hill who was LOVED on that team. They needed size and realized if they wanna compete, they gotta get bigger. Kawhi was a raw role player, but he made a HUGE difference way before he was the Kawhi we know now

That's where we are at right now. Wiseman doesnt need to be a breakout superstar. He just needs to be an effective role player. Getting him on a rookie deal would be excellent, and far better than any other center. Baynes already is an NBA champion, so he's gonna go to a place that offers him the most money. And other teams currently have much more than we can offer

If he's 10/10 a night with 2 blocks then he's a steal and he can undoubtedly be that. If there was a potential transformative wing, even as a project, then I'd be more open to skipping Wiseman. There's not tho. Kawhi had legit upside and elite physical tools. Only Okoro has that in this draft but he's not as big or as offensively talented as Kawhi was coming out.

What do y’all think of this guy??

He's a solid project who could have great upside. 6'7 PG with 7'2 wingspan. I'd use a second pick on him easily. Probably stash him for a year tho so you save a roster spot.

 

[CSquare43]

 

[CSquare43]

Edit: I hope this kid succeeds.....I like the guy...

 

[CSquare43]

Sorry for flooding the thread. Nah, fu*kdat...LOL!

I'm happy to have some Dubs content so y'all just gone have to live with these posts.




Kerr provides detailed vision for Smailagic's role on Warriors

"I think Smiley pretty much has to be a five," Golden State's coach said Wednesday on "The TK Show" podcast with The Athletic's Tim Kawakami. "He's a pretty big guy, he shoots the 3 well, he's skilled.

"But he's not a player you're gonna say, 'OK, he's really versatile defensively and we can have him guard multiple positions.' I don't look at him as that.

"I look at him more as a face-up five. I think that's gonna be his role ultimately in the NBA."

The Serbian native shot over 38 percent from 3-point territory over his first 15 G League games last season with the Santa Cruz Warriors. He went 5-for-7 and 5-for-9 from deep in back-to-back games in mid-December.

 

[CSquare43]

Kerr did an interview with TK, here's a great summary:

• 6.5ish months of not being together as a team...Kerr was happy to get 'em on the court and run real practices, gave the staff a better feel for where the roster is at
  
  
• relaxed but productive, FO didn't view it as players competing for a job (lol sure), treated it more like summer league than training camp ("guys just need to play, we have so many young guys")
  
  
• been doing one-on-one workouts for like 4 months (one player, one coach), kinda limits how much you can do, was nice to get them in for 5-on-5s (mixed in some concepts they wanted them to learn)
  
  
• quarantine kinda forced team bonding (11am practice, done at 1:30pm), usually go home after but now they had two options: hotel or stay at chase (lot of the team hung out in a banquet room up top at Chase, turned it into a player/coach lounge)
  
  
• Klay is not a question mark, camp was just the next step of the process (knee/ligament strong and fully healed, just took it slow to kinda direct how he worked out his lower-body and to get him used to contact again)
  
  
• Klay wasn't in 5v5 scrimmages but did a bunch of controlled 5v5 drills, worked with Celebrini a bunch and did 1-on-1s daily with Barbosa, definitely gonna be good to go come camp
  
  
• "The guys that emerged kinda as the leaders were Kevon Looney and Damion Lee. Sorta natural, they have the longest tenure here among that group"
  
  
• still young and learning but thinks Smiley needs to be a 5 (big, shoots 3 well, but not the most versatile defensively), feels a "face-five" is ultimately his role in the league (pick-n-pops, 3 point threat, and pulls opposing centers out of paint)
  
  
• Paschall working on 3pt shot with Theo Robertson, seems a lot more consitent (better arc, better release, looks like he's getting more confident...needs to start making it in-game though which can be totally different), really liked what he saw with Paschall's shot and the work he's put in
• "In many ways [Paschall] is one of the crucial young pieces that we have going forward. When you think about [us] being healthy again....we're still relatively thin in terms of proven depth" (need him to emerge as a consistent 3/4 wing who can guard multiple positions and provide offensive firepower, he's really coachable and easy to be around which is a huge plus)
• Paschall's shot is now more "on-the-way-up" and less "jack-knife" (jump first, shoot later), shot is smoother/softer, been working hard on the release/follow-through
  
  
• TK asked if the Warriors are big/athletic enough (Kerr: "To win a championship? sarcastic chuckle" TK: "To be in the top 4 to 6 teams, to be one of those teams")
  
  
• "I think we need to be more athletic, for sure. We're obviously very skilled with Steph and Klay...but we don't have an overly athletic team. And we've lost a lot of bounce and a lot of pop on the wings, between Andre and Kevin and Livingston. Even at the center position, you look over the last couple years, the guys we've had, Javale McGee or Andre Bogut, we've been a pretty athletic team. So I would say right now we're not big enough or athletic enough, ultimately, to get to where we want to be. But I think we all know that. We have the draft and we have free agency to address all that stuff, and potential trades. I think Bob would be the first to tell you this roster is far from being finished."
  
  
• TK asks where he's at with the draft now that he's had more time to look at the prospects and seen our roster in mini-camp. ("Do you have a good sense you're gonna get somebody at number 2 that, I don't want to say helps immediately because they're all young, can really be a factor for your team?")
  
  
• "Well we're gonna get a really talented player, I know that. Just watching the guys on tape, picking second is huge because I think there are a handful of guys that stand out. The reason people say it's a weak draft is you don't see Zion Williamson and LeBron...you don't see the obvious man-child that is going to come into the league and just destroy people right away. It's less obvious, but when you watch these guys on tape, there's a handful of guys that are really really athletic, and gifted and skilled. So then you got to determine what makes the most sense, which player makes the most sense? What possible trade that's out there? Or trading down? All those options that are available, you've got to figure all that out. I know that we felt really lucky to land the second pick in the lottery. I think it's more clear at 2 than say 6 or 7."
  
  
• says after talking to Bob "all the time about it," it's obvious the FO and coaching staff are excited about the possibilities and the guys they're looking at
  
  
• thinks "stars" are still interested in playing for the Warriors cause of the possibility of playing with Steph/Klay/Dray ("they make it the most attractive, just because players want to play with players...players are the biggest drivers in recruitment") and cause we have a strong org (new arena, great place to live, organizational stability, owner willing to pay whatever to win...lot of attractive dynamics for FAs)
  
  
• looking realistically at the economic situation (covid, no fans, luxury tax) he personally thinks using the $17M TPE is a long shot
  
  
• "But one thing I've learned with Joe is 'you never say no, you never say never.' Joe is so competitive, and is consiteatnly putting his money where his mouth is. Because he wants to win so badly, and because he knows that we're in the midst of a run that can continue. I don't put anything past Joe. I just think realistically to look at it, and to know that we've lost so much revenue and aren't guaranteed anything next year, it's hard to come out and say 'yeah we're gonna use that thing.' It would probably have to be something really special."
  
  
• Kerr isn't looking at the finals like 'wow we should be there', sees it as the opposite. Coming off a rough season with the worst record and all the injuries, he thinks we have a ton of work to do and kinda got to start over again from the bottom.
  
  
• "It was not a fun year, and it's not fun watching everybody else play in the playoffs. So let's get back to work. Let's get motivated and get back to where we once were."
  
  
• Even with them not at camp, Kerr has been staying in touch with Steph and Dray about the team and the vision/plan moving forward.
  
  
• "I think they have a pretty good feel of what we're trying to do. We're not re-inventing the wheel. But we have a very different personnel around those guys. We're still gonna be the Warriors. We're not gonna all of a sudden turn into the Rockets and change our offense, and have one guy go high pick-n-roll 70 times a game."
  
  
• TK: "That would be so you Steve, just do that. Just do ISO-ball, pick-n-roll." Kerr: "I think I would resign first."
  
  
• "We gotta be ourselves. What makes Steph and Klay the players they are is the combination of what they can do on and off ball. That's what moves defenses. And what makes Draymond special is his ability to distribute from either the 4 or the 5 spot. To have playmaking at that level."
  
  
• talks about the influence the Warriors' play-style has had around the league (Miami and Bam, thinks Dray has had a lot to do with all the bigs playing as lead facilitators while surrounded by shooters..."it's a really difficult offense for defenses to guard, when there's just a lot of action going on")
  
  
• we really need to get better defensively, that's where things will change with the team (not so much offensively )
  
  
• "Figure out how we're gonna defend without the personnel that we've had. All those switchable wings. The length, the shot blocking. I think we were number one in the league in shot blocking for three straight years before last season."
  
  
• TK: seemed like you were gonna change some stuff up for D'lo...and then realized he wasn't the guy worth changing stuff for
  
  
• Kerr: we did do some subtle changes, ran more spread pick-n-rolls, simplified things offensively (both for D'lo and Wiggins), ran Paschall at point, with no Steph/Klay there was no off-ball movement to cause chaos for defenses...so we needed to run some more basic stuff
  
  
• "You are who you are. And as a coach, as a team, as an organization, we believe in ball movement. We believe in everybody touching the ball. We believe in having multiple play-makers. It's the way we believe the game, and I don't want to say should be played because that sounds kind of sanctimonious, it's the way that empowers the most players. And it's the way that is the most difficult for defenses to guard. And that's a core belief that's not gonna change. So I think you're right, I think we had some intentions to do some things, and maybe we didn't do them as much as we thought we might. But we did make a concerted effort to try to put guys in positions they could succeed."
  
  
• ends the interview talking briefly about lowered tv ratings, the current political climate, and the racial justice movement...Kerr is a good dude
  
  
• TK asks for a book recommendation, Kerr just finished "Caste" (Myers also recommended it at the end of his TK interview), he's read a bunch of books about our history with racism and really liked this one ("I couldn't put it down. This is not like reading a textbook, like where you're just saying 'oh okay I got to get smarter, I got to read this textbook.' It's like reading a novel, it was an amazing read. Couldn't recommend it any more highly.")
  
  
• Kerr's been watching "Ted Lasso" (apparently his son has a small part on the writing team for the 2nd season), TK recommends "Song Exploder" on Netflix (Kerr says one of his favorite documentaries was "History of the Eagles" lol)

@Gil Scott-Heroin: Gotta get that value up for EP!!