What if I told you that in real life I actually am kind of a Rhaegar stan?
SIKE
Howland Reed, Arthur Dayne, Bran The Builder, The Nights King, Ser Baldric the Cunning >>>>> Rhaegar L.
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What if I told you that in real life I actually am kind of a Rhaegar stan?
SIKE
Howland Reed, Arthur Dayne, Bran The Builder, The Nights King, Ser Baldric the Cunning >>>>> Rhaegar L.
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But man, think about how much crow I'm setting myself up to have to eat if it turns out that Rhaegar married Lyanna on the Isle of Faces as witnessed by the order of the Green Men? Being directly tied to the old gods like that I'm gonna have to maybe stan him depending on the circumstances.@ those inbred fukks coming to Westeros after running Valyria to the ground.
Another thing, I was converted to the Rhaegar - Lyanna - Jon scenerio, which has long been a fan theory, I've always suspected it was too easy tho and expected GRRM to throw a curve in there.
Well my homie put me on game, Its been a long time since I read the source material and I've forgotten so much of the details easily glossed over when enthralled with all the major shyt that goes on. But she hit me with some shyt that seems plausible and can either be backed up by the source or ambiguous at best and some of these theories have made me go back to the drawing board.
Could Rhaegar and Lyanna have fathered Dany? And could Jon have been fathered by Brandon/Ned & Ashara Dayne from Dorne. This would give both Jon and Dany the much lauded Fire and Ice Lineage.
We know Ashara Dayne was fine as fukk, even put Rhaegars dornish wife to shame and had Barrington "broader than broadway" Selmy simped up. She danced with both Stark brothers at the tourney She was "dishonored" at the infamous Harrenhal tourney and someone put a seed in her. Selmy believes she gave birth to a still born girl and committed suicide.
This was before Ned was wed to Catelyn so couldnt have dishonored wifey thus keeping his honor intact. If it was his bro, who was promised to Cat, but was killed in the rebellion, did he protect his big bros honor and claim Jon. Or was it some Maury shyt. both Stark bros laid the pipe and know one knows who the daddy is.....
The theory isnt solid but there are truths in there, No way could Ned have known Lyannas baby was gonna look like a Stark to pass "it" off as his own, he couldnt rock up at Winterfell with some platinum haired purple eyed baby. How he got Dany out of there is of course like much of this a mystery but we got Wargs and Dragons so theres alot of things possible plus Danys history is a mess with contradictions and memories that dont add up, her having memories growing up in Bravos but memories of surroundings and a lemon tree, that Bravos doesnt have.
Just saying...
As for Neds virtue.
Night watch dude sees a walker, one of the most scariest things in that world. escapes with his life, is caught accepts his fate with dignity even though he knows what he saw and tells Ned, what does Ned do, investigate the sighting or question the guy? No follows orders, beheads dude. His second youngest in a coma in dodgy circumstances, does Ned say "nah gotta stay home" no he follows orders, kill ya daughters innocent direwolf, follows orders, an attempt on Brans life in his OWN HOME, follows orders, wifey pitches up at KL leaving the two youngest at winterfell, follows orders.
Then Is told the Targ girl is gonna have to die and for the first time turns his back on The King says fukk you you fat fukk im going home, does that not seem out of character to anyone??
Wait. This is the guy so Honorable no one thinks it possible he would have got some p*ssy whilst away at war but will break his honour for a young girl he doesnt even know.
I think these are valid points of discussion but for some reason any question of what is only a popular theory is treated as heresy. Martin says a few readers have figured it out. Well more than a few support R + L = J so the same people who arefor that theory have assumed it is them he is talking about and no one has the right to put forward any thing different.
Why?
Good point.
Ned doesnt hide Jon from Robert though, he just doesnt entertain small talk about his baby mother.
The flaw in that for me if that he seeds Ashara up before his brother dies why hide it? Brandon was supposed to wed Cat. It could be that he loved Ashara, who killed herself.
So he either doesn't lie, and/or will not free himself from the lie by snitching on his brother.
Or dishonoring both the name of the dead women he loved or the mother of his northern children. This ties in with Neds character and involve being honorable on all counts
Another indicator often overlooked are the Direwolf pups they found, who are all siblings, for all the Stark siblings, aint no cousins of the Starks running about with Direwolves.
We know Ned is haunted by the promise of protecting a child and feeling he failed, how can this have anything to do with Jon,??
Ned isnt worried about Jon at all, defo no where near enough to be haunted in the way he clearly is in the first book. So it doesnt make sense that Jon is Lyanna's boy. Even if Jon is Brandons which I also doubt, Ned cosigned for Jon to go make a lifelong pledge to Nights Watch with his bad ass First Ranger Uncle, so is just moving from one Uncle to a next.
Jon is Neds son, Ned aint losing no sleep over Jon. Ned raised Jon, at Wintefell. The kid is about that Winter Life Jon can look after his self, oh yeah and has his own fukkin Direwolf.
But if Dany is his niece, think about it. He thinks of the promise he made to Lyanna when in the crypt with Robert, on the way to Kings Landing and more than once haunted by the whole thing whilst at Kings Landing, especially after the big argument with Robert and the council over killing Dany.
So if you didn't presuppose Visarys lied then you think the adults just hit him with okie-doke and handed him a baby saying it's his sister and she was born on Dragonstone? I'm trying to figure out what makes you doubt Dany was born on Dragonstone
It's not too easy. The first book came out in 1996. People have had 19 years to put together the clues. If GRRM had finished the whole series more quickly no one would have had time to put it together. I certainly would have had no idea who Jon Snow's mother was without the internet.
As far as the curve goes.....I think the curve ball is Dany and Jon are twins. I've read the theory elsewhere and it makes sense. For one, the actor who played Theon let it slip that there was a Star Wars ending where Jon is concerned, so it makes you think. Series is call "A Song of Ice & Fire". You can look at that in two ways. Jon is the "Song of Ice & Fire", combination of two parts, Fire from Rhaegar and Ice from Lyanna. With the Twin theory, Jon is the Ice with Stark looks and Dany is the Fire with Targ looks but, they still each have both. Lyanna Stark died in childbirth. I mean its believable. It is the middle ages and she was like 16, girls died in labor all the time. But it would be more believable that she died giving birth to twins. It explains the Ashara Dayne disappearance and why Ned felt the need to travel South to Dorne with a newborn baby that's a secret targaryen in the middle of a war when he should've been on the fastest boat back home. Risking your nephew's life to return a sword.....not buying it. Now what I do buy is Ned had two kids to look after. One kid had black hair and Stark looks, so he could be hid in The North. The other kid had silver hair and Targaryen looks, so no, she had to be sent away. It also explains why Ned got upset with Robert when he talked about hunting Dany and Viserys down in Season 1. Why would he care? I think Ned dropped Dany off to Ashara Dayne, the only woman he trusted and she "fell off a cliff and disappeared". That's some bullshyt too. Ashara jumped off a cliff because she was full of grief?That's not really all that believable. I think the House with the Red Door Dany remembers was somewhere in Dorne. I think Ashara Dayne smuggled Dany over to Essos and got in contact with Illyrio. Illyrio either knew he was knowingly taking in Rhaegar's daughter (Dany) or Ashara presented herself as someone else who just happened to have an orphan child with Valyrian/Targ looks and somewhere along the line the real Dany died and Illyrio switched the kids so he could still have three Targs. Viserys would have been like 5, 6 years old. He wouldn't know the difference. Also, GRRM has a way of putting things in your face before the big reveal. All this time Dany wants to know more about Rhaegar and not her father. Obvious reason is The Mad King was fukkin crazy and psycho. But still, Dany should want to know something about her parents though. Her father? Her mother? She never asks. She never asks Baristan about either of them really. Only about Rhaegar. Dany has this longing attachment to Rhaegar and it would be real slick to me if its because he is in fact her father and not her brother.
I dead azz didn't read the rest of your post. Only the bolded. So we on the same wavelength with Dany and Jon. I should've read completely before I started typing.
My sister was born when I was 7 and I remember everything about itI personally think there was a switch involved between the Dany we know and the Dany that was born on Dragonstone. It would explain alot of the weird decisions Ned/Ashara made. Viserys is seven years older than Dany. How much do you remember from when you were 7? How clear are the details in your memories of 2nd grade?
My sister was born when I was 7 and I remember everything about it![]()
having you're sister switched would be a pretty significant memory bruh. 7 is more than old enough to remember some shyt like that.
My sister was born when I was 7 and I remember everything about it![]()
But you remember he was gone thoMy brother went to jail when I was 6 and I was told he went away to college. I believed that shyt for yearsYou really trust the testimony of a seven year old?
High emotion makes things MORE memorable, not lessWas this during a War where your lineage was at threat and your ma and you were on the run hiding out at a castle.
having you're sister switched would be a pretty significant memory bruh. 7 is more than old enough to remember some shyt like that.