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A Song of Ice & Fire by George R.R. Martin: Book Discussion Thread
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Uptown WaYo87
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Malik
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You know what sealed the deal for me? The fact that 3 members of the kingsguard, including their lord commander, were protecting lyanna stark in the tower of joy instead of rhaegars trueborn children, his wife, his pregnant mom and viserys. Barristan, Lewyn martell and another KG on the field battling Roberts forces and Jamie with the mad king...they abandoned the only children that are next in line to rule just to protect a "hostage"..nah..
Rhaegar knew that his and lyannas kid would be the prince who was promised, he was obsessed with the whole prophecy so of course he would have lyanna and their son (jon) protected..
Also keep in mind how close Jon and arya are and how much they look alike. arya is said to be the splitting image of lyanna..it makes too much sense to me for this theory not to be true
Plus..a song of ice (jon/lyanna) and fire (daenarys/rhaegar)..the bulk of the major characters storylines happen in the same region while Jon and daenarys are completely separated from everyone else..
it is too much
Its gonna be another 2 to 4 years before we find out. I want to know the ending already
Malik
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About done with Game of Thrones. I already watched the show but, reading the book really hammers down how retarded Ned was when it came to this politics thing.
"You wear your honor like its armor. You think it keeps you safe but, it really weighs you down."
3 times he fouled up. First, He should have kept Jaime-Cercei's incest scandal a secret and sprung it on everybody in front of the council (telling King Robert would have been better but, he died obviously) or he should have sent Ravens to every great house in Westeros exposing them.......instead he tells Cersei...."Hey, I'm about to fukk your life up, publicly shame your house and send you and your children into exile where you'll have to spend the rest of your life running from Robert's wrath. No hard feelings" like she wasn't going to immediately plot on his azz
Second, when Renly told him to snatch up Joffrey, he should have listened. You have the prince, you have the realm. Instead he did nothing and gave Cersei a whole day to set her plans in motion....knowing he'd just threatened her entire family 24 hours ago
He could have had the prince, Renly's men and the regency. And then.....afterward he could have revealed the incest sh*t and put Stannis on the throne.
Third, Littlefinger told him, he had the connections to bribe the soldiers. Littlefinger made it clear he didn't want Stannis
Ned had no manpower but, he was making demands He could've just went along with LF's plan to get the bribed soldiers and after he'd gotten Joffrey from the Lannisters (and the power of being the regent), THEN he could have exposed them and put Stannis on the throne.
Son basically told the most conniving family in King's Landing ahead of time that he knew their most horrible secret, he refused Renly's advice and his army and he didn't have enough sense to realize Littlefinger didn't want Stannis on the throne ....
"You wear your honor like its armor. You think it keeps you safe but, it really weighs you down."
3 times he fouled up. First, He should have kept Jaime-Cercei's incest scandal a secret and sprung it on everybody in front of the council (telling King Robert would have been better but, he died obviously) or he should have sent Ravens to every great house in Westeros exposing them.......instead he tells Cersei...."Hey, I'm about to fukk your life up, publicly shame your house and send you and your children into exile where you'll have to spend the rest of your life running from Robert's wrath. No hard feelings" like she wasn't going to immediately plot on his azz
Second, when Renly told him to snatch up Joffrey, he should have listened. You have the prince, you have the realm. Instead he did nothing and gave Cersei a whole day to set her plans in motion....knowing he'd just threatened her entire family 24 hours ago
He could have had the prince, Renly's men and the regency. And then.....afterward he could have revealed the incest sh*t and put Stannis on the throne.Third, Littlefinger told him, he had the connections to bribe the soldiers. Littlefinger made it clear he didn't want Stannis
Ned had no manpower but, he was making demands He could've just went along with LF's plan to get the bribed soldiers and after he'd gotten Joffrey from the Lannisters (and the power of being the regent), THEN he could have exposed them and put Stannis on the throne.Son basically told the most conniving family in King's Landing ahead of time that he knew their most horrible secret, he refused Renly's advice and his army and he didn't have enough sense to realize Littlefinger didn't want Stannis on the throne ....
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Adam3000
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How is it? I wanted top cop this..
I would never spend the money on it myself simply because it is not something you would look at more than a couple times, but it really is interesting if you want to immerse yourself in the world. Reading the book it is tough as hell to understand where everyone is in relation to everyone else, and so many places are namedropped that it just becomes a mess. This will definitely help clear it up, but if that is your only goal there are plenty of fan created maps online that will do the same thing.
The maps are pretty big, the main downside is they obviously come folded so if you ever wanted to frame one it would have crease marks on it. The Known World map is the first time that anyone ever saw anything West of Quarth/Red Waste. First time Asshai has come into view, which is a very important place
The full set includes this large poster along with other posters putting each section of this map in greater detail. The most intriguing spots for me are the Land of Always Winter ans Asshai, but I think George has said that the books will never actually visit Asshai
The perks of knowing someone that works at FedEx Kinko's
Got these for the free free:
This map is detailed as hell and big
This I like, I wish they'd do an updated version of this tho.
Same size as the map 4x6 feet
Got these for the free free:
This map is detailed as hell and big
This I like, I wish they'd do an updated version of this tho.
Same size as the map 4x6 feet
Adam3000
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The perks of knowing someone that works at FedEx Kinko's
Got these for the free free:
This map is detailed as hell and big
This I like, I wish they'd do an updated version of this tho.
Same size as the map 4x6 feet
That's dope, but the map is incorrect south and west of the Red Waste/Qarth. Must have been fan made a couple years ago.
Uptown WaYo87
HARLEM/BX
Pics of The Red Viper and Ellaria Sand came out during xmas eve
Red Viper and the Mountain
this seaaon is gonna be fukking crazy
Red Viper and the Mountain
this seaaon is gonna be fukking crazy
Adam3000
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REALLY hope they properly build Red Viper to look like a hero just to see the Tyrion fans twitter butthurt
Adam3000
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They nailed the Hound vs Dondarrion 100% perfectly I hope the same director does this one
Uptown WaYo87
HARLEM/BX
Devilinurear
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On top of all that Sansa sold him out.About done with Game of Thrones. I already watched the show but, reading the book really hammers down how retarded Ned was when it came to this politics thing.
"You wear your honor like its armor. You think it keeps you safe but, it really weighs you down."
3 times he fouled up. First, He should have kept Jaime-Cercei's incest scandal a secret and sprung it on everybody in front of the council (telling King Robert would have been better but, he died obviously) or he should have sent Ravens to every great house in Westeros exposing them.......instead he tells Cersei...."Hey, I'm about to fukk your life up, publicly shame your house and send you and your children into exile where you'll have to spend the rest of your life running from Robert's wrath. No hard feelings" like she wasn't going to immediately plot on his azz
Second, when Renly told him to snatch up Joffrey, he should have listened. You have the prince, you have the realm. Instead he did nothing and gave Cersei a whole day to set her plans in motion....knowing he'd just threatened her entire family 24 hours ago
Third, Littlefinger told him, he had the connections to bribe the soldiers. Littlefinger made it clear he didn't want Stannis
Son basically told the most conniving family in King's Landing ahead of time that he knew their most horrible secret, he refused Renly's advice and his army and he didn't have enough sense to realize Littlefinger didn't want Stannis on the throne ....
Adam3000
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I'm expecting to see Stannis choppin heads left and right
Malik
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I just got finished reading the first GOT book. If I was Ned Stark......I'd supported Renly Baratheon as the new king.
We'd crush Kings Landing and the Lannisters would be
Renly would be the new king and everybody would go home in one piece. And before all that, I'd tell Stannis to get down or lay down either take the Black with the Night's Watch or some Tears of Lys would wind up in Stannis' coffee......because nobody likes you nikka and you not willing to network with any of the great houses 
With Stannis dead.....Renly would be considered the rightful king after we showed the realm what inbred sister fukkers the Lannisters were. End of the war. End of the conflict. Until the White Walkers came. Ned would still have his head.
- Renly married off to Margery Tyrell. That's House Baratheon, House Stark and House Tyrell all united.
- Loras Tyrell married to a girl from Dorne. That's House Martell on board, that's four houses.
- House Tully and House Arryn would rock with whatever Ned was doing off gp. That's six houses together.
- To rub it in even worse, I'd get the Iron Islands in the mix. I'd give back Theon and offer them back control of Casterly Rock and maybe Harrenhall when the war was over. I'd marry Sansa to Theon, so years from now the Starks could have influence over the Iron Islands and the Westerlands. That's seven houses
We'd crush Kings Landing and the Lannisters would be
Renly would be the new king and everybody would go home in one piece. And before all that, I'd tell Stannis to get down or lay down either take the Black with the Night's Watch or some Tears of Lys would wind up in Stannis' coffee......because nobody likes you nikka and you not willing to network with any of the great houses With Stannis dead.....Renly would be considered the rightful king after we showed the realm what inbred sister fukkers the Lannisters were. End of the war. End of the conflict. Until the White Walkers came. Ned would still have his head.
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