A Song of Ice & Fire by George R.R. Martin: Book Discussion Thread

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Bud Bundy said:
It also shows you how powerful Ned Starks words are that Stannis would go to war off of what Ned said about Cersi children his nieces and nephews.
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wasn't Stannis already onto it, and that's kinda why he dipped when Jon Arryn died?
 
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Piff Perkins said:
Also shows how powerful Ned's legacy is. He was so respected and loved that the north rallied to his memory, and to save his daugther. Really shows that honor may have gotten him killed, but it ensured his legacy would live on. Interesting when you compare that to Tywin, who spent his entire life building his legacy and family name...but the minute he died, the Lannisters went to shyt. All Tywin spent his life achieving has been put at risk by his daughter.
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They went about it in different ways though. Tywin built his legacy by fear and deceit while Ned was all honor.
 
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Bud Bundy said:
naw he left because he was passed over for hand of the king.
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:beli: That's incorrect. He was the first to suspect Cersei's kids were not Roberts and then he reported it to Jon Arryn and they tried to investigate it together until Arryn got bodied. After that he fled to Dragonstone and stayed quiet until opportunity rose for him to come out.

With or without Ned's letter Stannis would have gone to war. Melisandre was gassing him up and I don't think he would have let Renly take the throne easy like that.
 
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daze23 said:
:usure: didn't Stannis and Jon Arryn go to the brothel to see one of Robert's b*stards
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:beli: That's incorrect. He was the first to suspect Cersei's kids were not Roberts and then he reported it to Jon Arryn and they tried to investigate it together until Arryn got bodied. After that he fled to Dragonstone and stayed quiet until opportunity rose for him to come out.

With or without Ned's letter Stannis would have gone to war. Melisandre was gassing him up and I don't think he would have let Renly take the throne easy like that.
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He suspected yes but you guys think Stannis would bounce just because Jon Aryan was killed? Naw he was mad that Robert did not choose him as the hand. That is why he left and started gathering his forces.
 
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Bud Bundy said:
He suspected yes but you guys think Stannis would bounce just because Jon Aryan was killed? Naw he was mad that Robert did not choose him as the hand. That is why he left and started gathering his forces.
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Jon Arryn was a powerful man, and he mysteriously died. if Stannis shared the same secret Arryn died for, would he not fear his for his own safety while in King's Landing?

you think he would "gather his forces" because "he was mad" about not being chosen as hand?
 
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daze23 said:
Jon Arryn was a powerful man, and he mysteriously died. if Stannis shared the same secret Arryn died for, would he not fear his for his own safety while in King's Landing?

you think he would "gather his forces" because "he was mad" about not being chosen as hand?
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I don't buy it either because it makes Stannis look like an idiot. Him and Arryn were investigating something G-14 classified and out of the blue Arryn gets sick and die? Convenient and I would have thought that was foul play. I would have gotten the fukk out KL.
 
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Bud Bundy said:
He was being cautious but I got that bit of info from the wiki so interpret it how you will.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Stannis_Baratheon#A_Game_of_Thrones
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from that link:

Just prior to the events of A Game of Thrones, Stannis suspected that the children of Queen Cersei Lannister were not actually Robert's. He confided his suspicions to Lord Arryn, and they investigated the matter together. Stannis did not bring his suspicions to Robert, as he knew Robert would not believe the charges coming from him. Since Robert had no love for his brother Stannis, the younger Baratheon would be seen as making himself heir. However, Stannis felt Robert would listen if the charges came from Jon Arryn, whom Robert loved. They visited several of Robert's baseborn children in the city and Stannis pointed out that all had black hair and they looked like Robert. Jon consulted the book The Lineages and Histories of the Great Houses of the Seven Kingdoms of past marriages of noble houses and discovered the same was true: whenever a Baratheon wed, their sons and daughters would have black hair, even if the other parent was a golden-haired Lannister.

After determining that Cersei's children were in fact not Robert's, Jon meant to act and planned for his son Robert Arryn to be fostered with Stannis on Dragonstone. However, Lord Arryn was poisoned before he could bring the evidence before Robert.

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After the death of Jon Arryn, Stannis flees to Dragonstone to gather his strength and plan his next move.[8] Lord Eddard Stark wonders why Stannis left, believing it is due to the discovery of whatever secret Jon Arryn was allegedly murdered for, not realizing that Stannis was slighted by Robert's selection of Eddard as his new Hand of the King. During Eddard's investigation of Jon's death, he discovers that Stannis and Jon had spent a great deal of time together. When he is told Stannis and Jon visited a brothel, when Stannis is normally so righteous to the point of prudish, he gets closer to the truth.
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yeah it said he left because he was passed over for hand of the king.
 
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