‘A Loss Is A Loss’: Democratic Senators Frustrated After Party Falls Short

No1

Retired.
Supporter
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
29,904
Reputation
4,711
Daps
66,458
What’s worse is they defend the bad messaging because there is good policy behind it and you, stupid America, need to do more research :damn:.

Um, ok, good luck with that.
Too many (perhaps not you) are making the mistake of assuming that progressive politicians and activists are one in the same. It was black women on the ground and brothers who started saying defund. No one ran on that. No one defended the slogan but Cory Bush who unsurprisingly was one of those black women activists. They talked about the underlying rationale. I never saw this much smoke for Abolish ICE.

What did you want them to say? “We ain’t defunding shyt get the fukk outta my face?” The media picked up the people on the streets saying it and the people at town halls. It had nothing to do progressive politicians. Once they entered the public consciousness you were always going to get asked about it. Defund the Police was meant to be snarky since schools and other programs are underfunded. I doubt they thought it would reach this point.
 

No1

Retired.
Supporter
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
29,904
Reputation
4,711
Daps
66,458
He's boring and really does nothing for the party as a leader.

Comes across as weak and indecisive. :scust:
What you expect from a nerd who is still contesting the one B plus he received at Harvard Law?
 

dora_da_destroyer

Master Baker
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
65,014
Reputation
15,922
Daps
266,114
Reppin
Oakland
Too many (perhaps not you) are making the mistake of assuming that progressive politicians and activists are one in the same. It was black women on the ground and brothers who started saying defund. No one ran on that. No one defended the slogan but Cory Bush who unsurprisingly was one of those black women activists. They talked about the underlying rationale. I never saw this much smoke for Abolish ICE.
i've made the delineation...you'll see as you continue to read replies

1, i don't think it gripped the national conversation as much as this one, and BLM/defund only became as outsized this year due to the double whammy of riots + nothing else to pay attention to given the pandemic's grip on the world and concurrent shut downs + sports/corporations jumping on it. without the lull of the pandemic, i think this plays out like other years, BLM/protest is hot for a week and it's back to normal.

2, it was an issue for a subsegment of latinos, being that they all weren't on code about it and that they don't have the same political capital as AA's JUST YET - that also kept it from being as mainstream and suppressed support

3, for those zeroed in on that convo, abolish and decriminalizing illegal immigration did get blowback, again, it just wasnt as widespread a movement/issue
 

dtownreppin214

l'immortale
Supporter
Joined
Apr 30, 2012
Messages
55,576
Reputation
10,511
Daps
191,593
Reppin
Shags & Leathers
Too many (perhaps not you) are making the mistake of assuming that progressive politicians and activists are one in the same. It was black women on the ground and brothers who started saying defund. No one ran on that. No one defended the slogan but Cory Bush who unsurprisingly was one of those black women activists. They talked about the underlying rationale. I never saw this much smoke for Abolish ICE.

What did you want them to say? “We ain’t defunding shyt get the fukk outta my face?” The media picked up the people on the streets saying it and the people at town halls. It had nothing to do progressive politicians. Once they entered the public consciousness you were always going to get asked about it. Defund the Police was meant to be snarky since schools and other programs are underfunded. I doubt they thought it would reach this point.
AOC defended it. My candidate, Warren, and yours, Bernie, did not support it.
 

mastermind

Rest In Power Kobe
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
62,426
Reputation
5,932
Daps
164,668
I hear ya. If Dems worked closely with their grassroots they probably could have squashed the "defund the police" slogan a lot sooner. They don't work with their grassroots like Republicans do. The entire Tea Party movement was crafted through the RNC. The Texas Republican party worked with the Tea Party to create that story of the barber shop owner getting shut down and thrown in jail for defying the quarantine because they were worried about low voter enthusiasm. It doesn't get more operative than that.

Republican Party also works very closely with College Republicans. Even in high school, they reach out and support orgs like JSA, which is a breeding ground for future politicians. My brother was the state governor for that org and used to tell me how proactive the state Republican party was about having a presence at their monthly conferences and contributing donations.

This party is so trash. :snoop:
Democrats in leadership are terrified of activists because they will hold those elected officials accountable in a way most voters don't.
 

mastermind

Rest In Power Kobe
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
62,426
Reputation
5,932
Daps
164,668
Had a listen recently on NPR where polling is still almost entirely done on the phone, and someone was taken aback at how polls fumbled two elections now. :dead:

They gotta get with the times.
THey undersold 2018 also.
 
Top