‘A Loss Is A Loss’: Democratic Senators Frustrated After Party Falls Short

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

I agree that the slogan is dumb. However, they are not offering any real reforms to address the policing problem. These candidates are running as empty suits.

Also Schumer picked a lot of bad candidates. Amy McGrath offered no solutions and barely said anything after Breonna Taylor was murdered in her state. She would of lost her primary of it wasn’t for Schumer and the DSCC support. McGrath didn’t stand for anything, and on top of that she had a boring personality.

In NC Cunningham dumbass was caught having an affair right before the election.

I still trying to figure out how the Dems lost in Maine. It should of been a layup.

The other seats were in highly red states. It was always going to next to impossible to win in a presidential year in SC, Al, WV and Montana no matter how good the candidate was.

Who started the slogan? I'm wondering if it was planted

 

[AnonymityX1000]

My thing is if you think the slogan is bad, work with BLM to craft a better message. You pay all these bozo, empty suits millions to come up with slogans, put them to work. Find messaging for individual areas. Your policy can be the same, but messaging has to fit in different parts of the country. It seems the Dems want to do a one size fits all.

On top of that, you bring in a group into the political fold who will advocate for your candidates.

Yeah, completely agree. If you don't think it's helping what would help express to the public you want to address police brutality and bolster accompanying devices that would improve communities. We're not hearing that, we're just hearing 'slogan bad, it's hurting us in our districts'. Is not addressing police reform not hurting your districts?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Police reform isn't the objective. Defunding the police means allocating resources to social programs, and the Dems run into this problem of not advocating for it and then letting others decide what they mean.


And what I said before is the DNC fears advocates. Work with them instead of running away from them.

semantics...i simplify it as police reform - its reform of policing - how we deal with the issues police are called in for.

and it's not a dem thing, yall fail to admit when messaging doesn't work. "defund" is a dumb ass word, this is america where millions is spent on effective advertising and marketing of products and ideas across industries as most people aren't going to look beyond the surface. if it's not a policy a dem in a certain district even needs to campaign on, why would they then have to be explaining what something they're not campaigning on means?

 

[Apollo Kid]

The picture in the article says it all

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Who started the slogan? I'm wondering if it was planted

not sure, but it plays into the overstepping "woke" internet/activist crowd that rather be provocative than effective at times. this reminds me of the whole issue with "latinx"...just a clear overstep in trying to sway opinion/change norms

 

[mastermind]

semantics...i simplify it as police reform - its reform of policing - how we deal with the issues police are called in for.

and it's not a dem thing, yall fail to admit when messaging doesn't work. "defund" is a dumb ass word, this is america where millions is spent on effective advertising and marketing of products and ideas across industries as most people aren't going to look beyond the surface. if it's not a policy a dem in a certain district even needs to campaign on, why would they then have to be explaining what something they're not campaigning on means?

It's not police reform. Police reform is what Biden suggested in giving the police more money to train them on how to not be racist murderers.

Defund the police is take away half that budget and put it into social programs and services that will help lower crime.

I can admit the slogan ain't good, but instead of countering it many Dems cowered and had no idea where they stood on the issue.

All I am saying is you pay these nerds millions to live in or around Capitol Hill to come up with a losing algorithm, put them to work with activists and come up with good messaging.

 

[ill]

IMO - Democrats can't even unite on their own party platform and instead focus on emotional topics to "get out the vote". The emotions only bring about short term gains and the inability to unify the party is why you're hurting long term. You need to either be all in on the progressive wave or give it up all together. The big city progressives hurt liberals outside of those cities. shyt, even Joe had to downplay the socialist angle that the progressives in his party keep cheering on.

If Trump handled Covid even 5% better, Dem's would be in a free fall losing seats left and right. That says a lot about the state of the Democratic Party right now.

 

[Pressure]

IMO - Democrats can't even unite on their own party platform and instead focus on emotional topics to "get out the vote". The emotions only bring about short term gains and the inability to unify the party is why you're hurting long term. You need to either be all in on the progressive wave or give it up all together. The big city progressives hurt liberals outside of those cities. shyt, even Joe had to downplay the socialist angle that the progressives in his party keep cheering on.

If Trump handled Covid even 5% better, Dem's would be in a free fall losing seats left and right. That says a lot about the state of the Democratic Party right now.

Biden presidency might put a lot of progressives in a box just by using a lot of common sense legislation that helps people out.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

It's not police reform. Police reform is what Biden suggested in giving the police more money to train them on how to not be racist murderers.

Defund the police is take away half that budget and put it into social programs and services that will help lower crime.

I can admit the slogan ain't good, but instead of countering it many Dems cowered and had no idea where they stood on the issue.

All I am saying is you pay these nerds millions to live in or around Capitol Hill to come up with a losing algorithm, put them to work with activists and come up with good messaging.

how do you counter a grassroots phrase that has already taken off? and most centrist dems aren't embedded in activist movements, it would be inauthentic for them to jump in with the goal of policing their words/phrases. these movements have much closer ties to the progressive wing of the party so again, it's up to progressives to be better about messaging

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Watching all these white folks getting mad about being near a defunding the police movement which was started cause some cac had his knee on a brothas neck for an extended period of time is starting to make me feel some kind of way. I let it ride because I figured it's just politics but it's getting insulting now.

Breh you know what it is....this is America

 

[AnonymityX1000]

how do you counter a grassroots phrase that has already taken off? and most centrist dems aren't embedded in activist movements, it would be inauthentic for them to jump in with the goal of policing their words/phrases. these movements have much closer ties to the progressive wing of the party so again, it's up to progressives to be better about messaging

"Defund the police" works for Progressives in their districts. They have no incentive to change it.
People complaining about Defund the Police need to work in their district to come up with an alternative. Centrists not being connected to grassroots is their fault and they need to correct it or this problem will continue for them.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

"Defund the police" works for Progressives in their districts. They have no incentive to change it.
People complaining about Defund the Police need to work in their district to come up with an alternative. Centrists not being connected to grassroots is their fault and they need to correct it or this problem will continue for them.

it doesn't, yall need to get out your bubble. even here in oakland people had issues with and/or were confused by "defund the police", it works for those in the movement

and thank you for continuing to show how backward progressives are in taking feedback. i've been in marketing for 13 years now, if i go to market with messaging that doesn't resonate, i don't force my audience into it, i suck it up and make adjustments. you're not getting shyt done federally with a weakened Dem party, so why do yall continue to think you get to operate in a vacuum. changing the messaging does not mean change the goal.

lastly, again, please explain how/why a centrist, usually from suburban and rural districts, would be tapped into a lot of these grassroots activists movements in urban centers? that's not their constituents, these cities don't get them elected and their role in washington is not about bringing those interests into the fold, it's about advocating for the things their district wants/needs. they can support those issues when they come up for a vote, but asking them to be deeply rooted in these groups is like asking some young urban progressive to be deeply rooted in soccer mom clubs in farmland USA

 

[Reality Check]

Schumer needs to step down as the Dem leader after the Georgia runoffs.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

it doesn't, yall need to get out your bubble. even here in oakland people had issues with and/or were confused by "defund the police", it works for those in the movement

and thank you for continuing to show how backward progressives are in taking feedback. i've been in marketing for 13 years now, if i go to market with messaging that doesn't resonate, i don't force my audience into it, i suck it up and make adjustments. you're not getting shyt done federally with a weakened Dem party, so why do yall continue to think you get to operate in a vacuum. changing the messaging does not mean change the goal.

lastly, again, please explain how/why a centrist, usually from suburban and rural districts, would be tapped into a lot of these grassroots activists movements in urban centers? that's not their constituents, these cities don't get them elected and their role in washington is not about bringing those interests into the fold, it's about advocating for the things their district wants/needs. they can support those issues when they come up for a vote, but asking them to be deeply rooted in these groups is like asking some young urban progressive to be deeply rooted in soccer mom clubs in farmland USA

It doesn't? So Progressives are saying Defund the Police just cause? I disagree, it works for them that's why they say it.
Progressive numbers are growing in the House so we Gucci ova here despite your 13 years of applied marketing expertise on this issue. lol
There's no issues regarding police oversight, government response to crisis and disproportionate policing of minorities in the suburbs and rural districts regular citizens are advocating for? I doubt that's true. Centrists need to get involved.

 

[dtownreppin214]

Cunningham is an idiot. Should have won that race easily.

WTF was Sara Gideon doing?

All these candidates had huge war chests. How can you have the resources and not make the case these Senators are terrible fukking people?

Apparently, Gideon wasn't touching the people either according to what I've read.

Maybe a big part of this self-reflection effort should be about developing better candidates within the party. How is that post-Obama revolution the Republicans have a more formidable bench? This doesn't make sense.