A Discussion on The Left & The Working Class

[wire28]

Question- who is the democratic base right now aside from black people? Serious question.

No is absolving Republicans btw - but what the fukk am I supposed to do about them? 94 percent of Republicans voted Trump and always will. My entire point the entire election was to stop trying to reach them and try to turn out unlikely voters who are susceptible to democratic messages. To an extent, we lost because Trump turned out people susceptible to Republicans messages and Dems didn’t the opposite. My focus on working class issues is because of the shift of people of color to the GOP. Now it’s possible that you never get Obama margins among white working class voters again but you’re not hurt by pushing an economic message when most of the non-white people you need are working class too.

I want to win - and I want what’s best for people - I’m literally saying Democrats should stop catering people like me. .

I said it’s black people, marginalized groups, educated people and with our current political climate anybody with some moral decency. One group that is not and has not been the base is working class white people. They have been gone for decades and I guess we will just agree to disagree why since 1964 they decided to go to the GOP.

a few posts ago I said focus on the base and if a couple of working class whites decide to stop cutting off their nose to spite their face, great. But stop chasing people who don’t want to be with you because they’d rather be closer to affluent whiteness (which is also the case for the non white working class people who are voting against themselves).

I think we all want to win. Some of yall get angry and think we are attached to these politicians. Van latham said it best these people are tools. IDGAF about them. Use them to move your agenda forward even if it’s one step instead of 20.

 

[wire28]

We are being honest about race. But if your point one finger out and three come back at you. Of course the GOP is horrible. That is a lost cause. It doesn't have to be class reductionism, but only black and jewish people had an issue with the way the country is. Everyone else prefers Trump.

Not sure what the bold means. Are we saying black people are the real racists for pointing out racism? That’s how that’s coming off.

The multiracial coalition is dead and unless some honesty by all sectors is taken into account, we will be back here again in 2 years.

Agreed. Black people should move accordingly with this knowledge.

 

[the next guy]

Not sure what the bold means. Are we saying black people are the real racists for pointing out racism? That’s how that’s coming off.

I'm saying just because racism exists doesn't mean we don't criticize other things. We should stop being the face of the DNC, which many Americans see as elite and broken. Because, well...it is. Black people got their preferred candidates 3x. Won once.

Agreed. Black people should move accordingly with this knowledge.

Of course. Many black people on X are simply stepping away.

 

[wire28]

I'm saying just because racism doesn't mean we don't criticize other things.

Agreed.

 

[No1]

They have been gone for decades and I guess we will just agree to disagree why since 1964 they decided to go to the GOP.

We all know that there was a shift in the parties following the civil rights movement. But we also know that people often voted against their racism when they were heavily unionized. It’s why republicans go so hard to disband unions.

You see those people as a lost cause when I’m saying you literally can’t move that way because we can’t win getting blown out by those groups - Obama said the same after Hillary lost.

Harris actually did better with white people than Biden in many spots, she lost because Muslim voters and pretty much every group of color shifted towards the GOP (black people included - 20 percent of men). Harris lost by razor thin margins.

I said it’s black people, marginalized groups, educated people and with our current political climate anybody with some moral decency.

Those people aren’t a large enough group to win. There’s no win without winning the vast majority of working class people of every non-white demographic. We all know 50 percent of the white working class is a lost cause someone to get those elsewhere. College educated white people that Harris got can’t offset them. Like don’t get me twisted - fukk those people - I hate centering their hateful asses and won’t. But we have no fukking choice than to go with a colorless economic message and then protect everyone once we’re in power.

 

[Robbie3000]

He doesn’t have to say it - it’s already assumed and embedded. Almost every single working class person working manual jobs feels like undocumented workers are depressing their wages. (Of all races.) Even if they’re wrong - go listen to Trump voters on immigration - it’s a blend of culture, resentment about tax dollars, and economic resentment. Losing working class white voters is different than getting blown the fukk out. A good portion are racist and I’m old enough to remember canvassing for Obama in 08 having white friends appalled when a dude in PA said behind my back that they’d be voting for the “n1gger” because he was better for the economy after it was in free fall.

But the bigger issue with you repeating this line ad nauseum is that you’re effectively saying that Democrats can’t win elections. You’re not winning elections getting blown out with working class people.

My pessimism is based on about 150 years of U.S history where poor whites acted against their own interests out of resentment towards other groups.

We can start with the civil war and all those non Slave owning whites who volunteered to die like flies to defend the institution of slavery which harmed their interests all the way to neo liberal policies of today.

 

[wire28]

We all know that there was a shift in the parties following the civil rights movement. But we also know that people often voted against their racism when they were heavily unionized. It’s why republicans go so hard to disband unions.

I need to see the union numbers for this year. I know the union heads said one thing but I did not hear or read positive things from white union workers in Michigan.

You see those people as a lost cause when I’m saying you literally can’t move that way because we can’t win getting blown out by those groups - Obama said the same after Hillary lost.

I think the vast majority of them are a lost cause. Some will, as you mentioned earlier, decide to spare themselves based on common sense.

Harris actually did better with white people than Biden in many spots, she lost because Muslim voters and pretty much every group of color shifted towards the GOP (black people included - 20 percent of men). Harris lost by razor thin margins.

White people or white educated people?

Those people aren’t a large enough group to win. There’s no win without winning the vast majority of working class people of every non-white demographic. We all know 50 percent of the white working class is a lost cause someone to get those elsewhere. College educated white people that Harris got can’t offset them. Like don’t get me twisted - fukk those people - I hate centering their hateful asses and won’t. But we have no fukking choice than to go with a colorless economic message and then protect everyone once we’re in power.

I’d argue it’s more than 50% but that’s irrelevant in the grand scheme. I do agree with going with the colorless message. It should be a message with vague ideals about worker empowerment, living conditions etc that obviously will benefit the historically disenfranchised but also will benefit them. Honestly this is something they been doing, maybe they leaned into identity politics too much but again that wouldn’t be a big deal unless the white working class felt they weren’t going to benefit also (which is false).

I’m resigned to the fact that they are going to over correct like a MF and get a raspy voiced southern or mid western white male to be the next nominee. I understand the game and again don’t care as long as my people aren’t harmed.

 

[No1]

White people or white educated people?

I would have to look up the final numbers but at a certain point on Election Day, her gains with white college educated voters had her winning slightly more white people than Biden. I turned that shyt off at a certain point.

The other thing we’re not mentioning is that Harris had the worst showing for Democrats with the youth vote since Kerry 2004. She was plus 12 — even Hillary was plus 19. A lot of those anti war kids stayed home and then MAGA made inroads with young males. That is something that needs to be fixed before that shyt becomes permanent. Democrats need to just have a robust primary and let their voters choose who inspires them. Don’t put your finger on the button at all.

 

[mastermind]

working class Black ppl don't fukk with dems like that

I don’t think they are engaged in the political system at all because there isn’t much in it for them.

The same is true for a large swath of the working class, regardless of race.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

working class Black ppl don't fukk with dems like that

social media and talk about reparations, dating/child support discourse, focus on LGBT issues over straight black men etc.

Its just stoking discontent over stupid shyt

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I would have to look up the final numbers but at a certain point on Election Day, her gains with white college educated voters had her winning slightly more white people than Biden. I turned that shyt off at a certain point.

The other thing we’re not mentioning is that Harris had the worst showing for Democrats with the youth vote since Kerry 2004. She was plus 12 — even Hillary was plus 19. A lot of those anti war kids stayed home and then MAGA made inroads with young males. That is something that needs to be fixed before that shyt becomes permanent. Democrats need to just have a robust primary and let their voters choose who inspires them. Don’t put your finger on the button at all.

young voters dont vote….it wont matter. Just need Israel not to get into a war months before an election. a decade ago, most people dont give a fukk about gaza. Now it’s on your IG feed.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

you can’t win these losers back. Complete idiots.
another bernie bro who voted for Trump

I Raised $50 Million for the Democrats. This Week, I Voted for Trump.

The Democratic Party turned its back on me and my family long before I turned my back on it.

www.thefp.com

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[No1]

I don’t think they are engaged in the political system at all because there isn’t much in it for them.

The same is true for a large swath of the working class, regardless of race.

Something like 80 percent of black voters say the Democratic Party takes them for granted.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

I don’t think they are engaged in the political system at all because there isn’t much in it for them.

The same is true for a large swath of the working class, regardless of race.

Absolutely

That's where I'm about to be at now