A Discussion on The Left & The Working Class

Which 3 policies to win back the working class


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WIA20XX

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That’s not completely accurate, Nixon wins due to the death of RFK. RFK was running on a left wing anti-war populist agenda and he was primed to win the dem nomination and ultimately the presidency.

Even if that's your read of settled history, you're really just proving my point here.

Nixon, benefitting of the southern strategy, was definitely not a man of the people, trying to give the working class a better deal.

Humphrey or McCarthy would have been better for the American Worker compared to Nixon.

Americans don't have "class consciousness".
Indeed, outside of Black Americans, most Americans don't have race consciousness either.

Even with that win Nixon was experimenting with UBI, he created the epa, created title ix, those are all things those on the left support and defend. What kills LBJ was the Vietnam war. If he doesn’t double down on it he easily wins re-election in 68. A lot of those programs are defending by the working class regardless of race, go talk to an old white person about cutting social security and watch how quickly they turn into FDR.

Yet somehow 70% of white people have been voting for the candidates that want to CUT Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid for the past 60 years, at least.

Same set of people hate entitlements, but keep your hands off my Social Security...
Just like the hate Obamacare, but love the American Care Act.red

Dems went through decades of trying to expand the New Deal/Great Society...and then switched over to Neoliberalism to get back into power - not because they wanted a stronger social safety net or more economic mobility.

So-called pocketbook/kitchen table issues don't make people vote. And until the people that oppose Trump et.al understand that, they'll never have anything but fleeting power.

You are right wages went up under Biden but did not outpace inflation so no one felt they made any headway. There is a class consciousness in the working class race just supersedes it nine times out of ten but it does exist.

Wage growth: In August 2024, wages grew by 4.6% while inflation was 2.5%

Employment is up, Unemployment is down.
Labor participation rate is up. IE, people that weren't working before, are coming back to the workforce.

You can run down the line on Bidenomics - the vast majority of Americans are better off OBJECTIVELY than they were 5 years ago.

But Subjectively? No. And rather than blame industry consolidation and predatory business practices (and regulatory capture) - they blame Biden and the Dems.

Whether or not "economics" is what animates Trumps voters is something that the talking heads have been going on ad nauseam since last week.

I don't buy it. And neither should anyone else.

That said, a lot of left wingers love to have these little niggling debates about leaves on the trees, when the forest is burning.

The Anti-Trump coalition can't make people care about what's actually going on with the economy.

Drake vs Kendrick
Lebron and Bronny
Taylor and Travis
MCU falling off

Sure.

Making money?
Keeping money?
Saving money?
Investing money?
The Macro Economy?

No, No, No, No, and Hell No.

WIA
 

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Call it whatever you want but the working class is concerned about their pockets and putting food on the table. Capitalism is on the verge of being a failure for the working class. People are being economically enslaved in the name of capitalism. Major profits are only going to the hands of a few and the masses are being given just enough to survive and keep happy. The issue is that socialism ideas are too close to communism which in theory can only exist under a utopian perfect society because humans are naturally greedy and it will never work. However that's not to say a balanced social democracy cannot make the working class happy. Democrats need to let go of their social games and focus on economy and wealth distribution.
 

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Even if that's your read of settled history, you're really just proving my point here.

Nixon, benefitting of the southern strategy, was definitely not a man of the people, trying to give the working class a better deal.

Humphrey or McCarthy would have been better for the American Worker compared to Nixon.

Americans don't have "class consciousness".
Indeed, outside of Black Americans, most Americans don't have race consciousness either.



Yet somehow 70% of white people have been voting for the candidates that want to CUT Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid for the past 60 years, at least.

Same set of people hate entitlements, but keep your hands off my Social Security...
Just like the hate Obamacare, but love the American Care Act.red

Dems went through decades of trying to expand the New Deal/Great Society...and then switched over to Neoliberalism to get back into power - not because they wanted a stronger social safety net or more economic mobility.

So-called pocketbook/kitchen table issues don't make people vote. And until the people that oppose Trump et.al understand that, they'll never have anything but fleeting power.



Wage growth: In August 2024, wages grew by 4.6% while inflation was 2.5%

Employment is up, Unemployment is down.
Labor participation rate is up. IE, people that weren't working before, are coming back to the workforce.

You can run down the line on Bidenomics - the vast majority of Americans are better off OBJECTIVELY than they were 5 years ago.

But Subjectively? No. And rather than blame industry consolidation and predatory business practices (and regulatory capture) - they blame Biden and the Dems.

Whether or not "economics" is what animates Trumps voters is something that the talking heads have been going on ad nauseam since last week.

I don't buy it. And neither should anyone else.

That said, a lot of left wingers love to have these little niggling debates about leaves on the trees, when the forest is burning.

The Anti-Trump coalition can't make people care about what's actually going on with the economy.

Drake vs Kendrick
Lebron and Bronny
Taylor and Travis
MCU falling off

Sure.

Making money?
Keeping money?
Saving money?
Investing money?
The Macro Economy?

No, No, No, No, and Hell No.

WIA

That was a typo, Americans does have a class consciousness it is just superseded by race. White working class has organized around this consciousness throughout us history they just don’t include black people but black people organize around class as well.

White Americans have always had race consciousness to deny that is to deny the entire white racial regime within the United States. Again your wages may have gone on up but being in California their rise did not matter. You were still behind the eight ball and that is the point. A bunch of states went for trump and passed a bunch of progressive policies like Missouri did. Economics absolutely drive people. Come on man the mass majority of people are not better off right now.

They blame Biden and the dems because they were in charge. They needed to deal with the corporations and their behavior. They needed to be less dismissive when people started to complain about inflation. Politics is about people and how they perceive their lives is how they are going to vote. You can’t tell someone they have it good when they don’t perceive it that way. Perception dictates reality and for many the economy is not working for them.
 

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Harris actually did better with white people than Biden in many spots, she lost because Muslim voters and pretty much every group of color shifted towards the GOP (black people included - 20 percent of men). Harris lost by razor thin margins.
Was is that or because large chunks of people from those groups didn't go vote? Kamala got 9.4 million less votes than Biden and Trump only gotten 900k more votes than in 2020.
 
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Was is that or because large chunks of people from those groups didn't go vote? Kamala got 9.4 million less votes than Biden and Trump only gotten 900k more votes than in 2020.
I mean, that’s definitely part of it in swing states and there’s voter suppression and not the widespread mail in ballots of 2020. But I consider a non vote as essentially a vote for Trump in this environment.
 

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