A comprehensive guide to the origin/roots of HipHop's elements (all verified facts w/ OG interviews)

[IllmaticDelta]

Myth: HipHop music came from Bboys via Herc

Do people actually realize there is very little overlap in bboy breaks vs mc breaks?


This is what Herc played for his bboys: If you noticed, these songs are rarely heard on the hiphop tapes from pre-studio recorded hiphop and they're also rarely heard in actual sample based hiphop music. These are strictly for going off, they're not suited for RAPPERS!!











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[IllmaticDelta]

This is what MC's actually rapped over and what you actually heard/hear in sample based hiphop music (Herc didn't play breaks for mc's)

 

[IllmaticDelta]

1956 R&B gem

 

[IllmaticDelta]

gospel rap from the 1930s/1940s

 

[K.O.N.Y]

was it this

pigmeat

or dolemite that made the average school kid in NYC want to rhyme

I feel like Hollywood, melle and other syncopated mcs had a specific influence that started in the schoolyard. Than it elevated into 70s proto rap

melle says hustlers convention

@IllmaticDelta

edit-hc came after hollywood as an adult so omit that

 

[The Gentleman]

I hope this helps moves this thread forward.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

was it this

pigmeat

or dolemite that made the average school kid in NYC want to rhyme

I feel like Hollywood, melle and other syncopated mcs had a specific influence that started in the schoolyard. Than it elevated into 70s proto rap

melle says hustlers convention

@IllmaticDelta

edit-hc came after hollywood as an adult so omit that

People like hollywood and the kc prince of soul who are older than the melle mel, caz, kool moe dee's etc...were influenced by Black radio djs and those comedian types like Pigmeat Markham and Dolemite. People like Melle mel & Caz were influenced by Hollywood + black radio djs + Hustlers Convention album.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

I hope this helps moves this thread forward.

rapping, being the best vocal approach to tell stories

its genius

 

[K.O.N.Y]

I hope this helps moves this thread forward.

this nikka went hard

 

[The Gentleman]

this nikka went hard

Pimpin’ Sam is one among many toast that circulated in the prison systems and all around black America. Iceberg Slim made a whole album of these toast he learned while being in several prisons.

 

[The Gentleman]

People like hollywood and the kc prince of soul who are older than the melle mel, caz, kool moe dee's etc...were influenced by Black radio djs and those comedian types like Pigmeat Markham and Dolemite. People like Melle mel & Caz were influenced by Hollywood + black radio djs + Hustlers Convention album.

The Hustlers Convention was supposed to homage to the sportin’ life. It’s easy to how the 1st emcees would be influenced by this album.

My point is rap is a child of toasting which was part of black hustling underworld subculture b/k/a the sporting life.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

@The Gentleman @IllmaticDelta

So the best way to describe this

is that rhythmic talking syncopated to a rhythm, rhyme or a beat reached a certain level of ubiquity in black American music

because it was a good way to convey messages and tell stories

it had various forms throughout the years - Gospel hymns,church talking,jive talking, comedy rap, dozens,toast,scatting,post-ww2 disc jockey


nothing to do with us getting it from an outside source

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The Hustlers Convention was supposed to homage to the sportin’ life. It’s easy to how the 1st emcees would be influenced by this album.

yeah, that album had a big influence on the younger cats like Melle Mel and Caz; not so much on Dj Hollywood though.

My point is rap is a child of toasting which was part of black hustling underworld subculture b/k/a the sporting life.

yes, toasting in Afram culture clearly played a part in setting the template for a rhyming/syncopated verbal tradition

 

[IllmaticDelta]

@The Gentleman @IllmaticDelta

So the best way tio describe this

is that rhythmic talking syncopated to a rhythm, rhyme or a beat reached a certain level of ubiquity in black American music

because it was a good way to convey messages and tell stories

it had various forms throughout the years - Gospel hymns,church talking,jive talking, comedy rap, dozens,toast,scatting,post-ww2 disc jockey


nothing to do with us getting it from an outside source

facts

 

[K.O.N.Y]

bump this amazing thread