76ers turn down Brogdon + 1st for Ben Simmons offer, will only trade him for an All-Star

[GoldenGlove]

why do you think they feel compelled to trade him

I feel like it's the most efficient way for them to compete for a ship. The alternative would be for them to move Embiid and reconstruct the roster around Ben which I don't think is happening. The organization, management and the city all seem to have soured on Ben as Joel's running mate, so I think it's dead.

Ben Simmons needs to be on a team that's constructed in a way that benefits him. Philly was close to winning despite the roster flaws, but now with how things played out, I think his time there is over with.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Brogdon and Harris can give you 18-20 a piece next to Embiid and that's what you need.

Middleton is a #2, last year I was in that boat but he's shut people up this postseason. Every team can't have multiple Top 12 players. In a world where the Justice League isn't based in Brooklyn an Embiid-Tobias-Brogdon trio can win a title.

You're overlooking the fact that both Brogdon and Embiid have notable injury histories, so there's even no guarantee that either player makes it through the season in one piece. It was the same argument I made about Brooklyn with KD/Kyrie and you see that Kyrie didn't make it through the postseason.

 

[Left.A1]

You are not even readin what i was actually saying and now twisted it into sumn else...i didnt say Morey i said some front offices..and i didnt say the media was making these trades happen i said they were planting the ideas in public before they happened...Westbrook for Wall was a media planted idea that took shape....

1. This thread is about the sixers/morey front office

2.Westbrook asked to be traded because Harden wasn't coming back..had nothing to do with the “media”... Once that information was known it doesn't take a rocket scientist to write an article “predicting” a Wall/WB swap as of course those two contracts are two of the few at that size which can be matched to legally complete a deal

 

[Left.A1]

I feel like it's the most efficient way for them to compete for a ship. The alternative would be for them to move Embiid and reconstruct the roster around Ben which I don't think is happening. The organization, management and the city all seem to have soured on Ben as Joel's running mate, so I think it's dead.

Ben Simmons needs to be on a team that's constructed in a way that benefits him. Philly was close to winning despite the roster flaws, but now with how things played out, I think his time there is over with.

Ok so my point is that OBVIOUSLY the team by listening to deals feels like his time there and their window with him is/has closed... That doesn't mean you complete any old trade just to do it however

 

[Left.A1]

Nets fully healthy? Of course it's not. There's no move the Sixers can make to achieve that. In the solid chance their Big 3 is comprised like this year, yes it does.

That's not beating the Nets

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

1. This thread is about the sixers/morey front office

2.Westbrook asked to be traded because Harden wasn't coming back..had nothing to do with the “media”... Once that information was known it doesn't take a rocket scientist to write an article “predicting” a Wall/WB swap as of course those two contracts are two of the few at that size which can be matched to legally complete a deal

Honestly, it was the best deal possible deal that both parties were going to get for said players IMO without having to attach multiple sweetners to the deal.

 

[NoMorePie]

 

[philmonroe]

Houston only did that because it was Morey asking and it was their way of saying fukk you since he left Houston on some other shyt that’s the only reason… Houston turned around and still traded Harden for peanuts in a Bk, Pacers 3 way



Yeah your an idiot if you didn’t see Simmons value being high at the time.. You still trade Simmons and picks for Harden I don’t give a fukk who you are..

Like I said you just run with narratives and make up stuff based on them. Nothing in my post said anything about disagreeing with you saying Simmons value was at an all time high. They wanted a ton of,picks because of Morey like you yourself mentioned and they didn't want to do that. Depending on when those picks were I can see a team not wanting to do that esp if they are further down the road.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

Like I said you just run with narratives and make up stuff based on them. Nothing in my post said anything about disagreeing with you saying Simmons value was at an all time high. They wanted a ton of,picks because of Morey like you yourself mentioned and they didn't want to do that. Depending on when those picks were I can see a team not wanting to do that esp if they are further down the road.

Bro the process is over it’s time for action it’s time to win a title NOW… You give up Simmons and those picks for Harden it’s that simple… the fukk are they waiting for? Another process? If I’m the Philly owner I’m firing Morey off GP period..

So no I’m not running with no narrative when I saw for myself the bullshyt Philly FO was selling Philly fans.. come on bro your not that naive

 

[GoldenGlove]

Ok so my point is that OBVIOUSLY the team by listening to deals feels like his time there and their window with him is/has closed... That doesn't mean you complete any old trade just to do it however

I'm in the camp that thinks Prime Embiid doesn't need that much more to get to the Finals. Brogdon and a 1st is not a terrible deal for Ben Simmons IMO. It's not James Harden like what was rumored at the deadline, but Philly runs the risk of Ben's value diminishing even further if they run it back and his game is the exact same. And with Embiid's health being a factor, it's a gamble to see if Philly waits to see if Ben improves or just uses him to fill out the roster and it's flaws.

What kind of package would you deal Simmons for? I'm sure they would love Zach Lavine or a Brad Beal, but I'd say Philly is not getting those guys. Also... is a CJ package better than Brogdon and a 1st?


I guess what I'm asking is, what exactly do you think Simmons can get back for Philly right now after this last postseason?

 

[philmonroe]

Bro the process is over it’s time for action it’s time to win a title NOW… You give up Simmons and those picks for Harden it’s that simple… the fukk are they waiting for? Another process? If I’m the Philly owner I’m firing Morey off GP period..

So no I’m not running with no narrative when I saw for myself the bullshyt Philly FO was selling Philly fans.. come on bro your not that naive

What does naive have to do with anything? I don't know what picks they were and how many but I know they wanted a few. Morey didn't want to do that and I'm not sure if I blame him depending on when the picks were. I guess we will,have to agree to,disagree on this one. I would've traded him but depending on the picks I might not have because as we see with Harden being out nothing is guaranteed.

 

[Shadow King]

You're overlooking the fact that both Brogdon and Embiid have notable injury histories, so there's even no guarantee that either player makes it through the season in one piece. It was the same argument I made about Brooklyn with KD/Kyrie and you see that Kyrie didn't make it through the postseason.

The Lakers just won a title with fragile AD and Bron finally looking Father Time in the eye. I made the exact same argument regarding Brooklyn last summer, but this doesn't mean the Sixers should do nothing. There arent many other guards who will be given up and/or fit their needs. The cat's out the bag and Ben isn't commanding all All-Pro guard in return.

 

[Kiyoshi-Dono]

So pass up on a rumored trade earlier for Harden to only be back in the same place you began
Knowing damn well nobody wants Brick Simmons

 

[Shadow King]

That's not beating the Nets

That team beats a damaged Nets Keep trolling if you want but you're not getting a superstar guard for Simmons. So do nothing?

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

The Lakers just won a title with fragile AD and Bron finally looking Father Time in the eye. I made the exact same argument regarding Brooklyn last summer, but this doesn't mean the Sixers should do nothing. There arent many other guards who will be given up and/or fit their needs. The cat's out the bag and Ben isn't commanding all All-Pro guard in return.

That was a different set of circumstances and you know that considering the time that the Lakers had off before continuing the season and the fact that Bron hadn't hit Father Time in the eye at that point. AD was also all worldy in that bubble something that neither Brogdon, Harris nor Ben will ever come close to.

You're not winning with Brogdon/Harris as your 2nd best player regardless of how you try and spin it. They are #3 options at best. There was a reason why multiple teams were willing to offload Harris when they got the chance to upgrade at another superstar player.