He still is over simplifying the role africans played in the slave trade. It's kinda insulting to the tribes and kingdoms who actively resisted.
It's a lot more nuanced than how he is putting it
682 years after his death, they tryna cancel Mansa Musa
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It's a lot more nuanced than how he is putting it
I don't know why people try to deny that many coastal West African kingdoms economy was based off the slave trade. Like it happened. I don't hate West Africans or hold a vendetta against them(hell I wanna visit West Africa) but it happened and we have in depth historical records. Yea many resisted but many took part in it like Dahomey. Also aren't you part Somali? Why does it concern you? No offense.He still is over simplifying the role africans played in the slave trade. It's kinda insulting to the tribes and kingdoms who actively resisted.
It's a lot more nuanced than how he is putting it
Elle Driver
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He has west African ancestors.
I'm aware but the its West Africans/Aframs and Diaspora in this context and not the entire continent.
Elle Driver
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He’s half Afram so maybe I’m missing something.
Who created the Demand for slaves which caused those western African economies to be built off slavery? Who empowered certain tribe over other tribes in warring regions then happily took the captives after they instigated the conflict? Who indoctrinated thousands of tribes with eurocentric "norms"? Who made sure to cause so much dependence on European trade in Africa that after the west outlawed the slave trade, that those economizes fell and left them open to be colonized?
You don't even realize that with your very 1st sentence you proved my point. Certain African kingdoms were solely empowered by Europeans to supply slaves.
I never said It didn't happen but to drop those blanket statements are very disingenuous because even though it happened the narrative being pushed in this thread isn't how it happened.
Also I never said you hated WA. You volunteered that statement and tbh it does seem you do hold a grudge about slavery with Africans. You have that right to feel that way because I too find fault in them but I will not let my emotions cloud me from the facts. Slavery hurt West African and African as a whole just as much as it hurt our ancestors. To state any other opinion isn't based in historical fact or reality.
Also, I assume you hold some negative feelings towards WA's, now because even you yourself say many tribes resisted. Yet, you still choose to focus on the minority who did and use that as a blanket picture for the complicated social-economic-political climate of west african during the slave trade.
What happened in the 1600's-1700's in West Africa affected my life just as much as any other black person. It also Affected Africa as a whole. NORTH, SOUTH, EAST and WEST. The slave trade was one of the main contributing factors of africa being colonized and the reason Africa is poor now
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MischievousMonkey
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There definitely was selling, some kidnapping, connivence and resisting.
All these were true.
Trying to make it a unique thing or deny that one of those happened altogether is not the wave.
All these were true.
Trying to make it a unique thing or deny that one of those happened altogether is not the wave.
He is playing dumb. We have spoken in real time with our actual voices. He knows I sound like gucci mane and he knows my back ground
Fact is many West African kingdoms took part in it whole many resisted. Again not sure why there is a need to argue against it. As for the bolded the Kingdoms could've simply said "no" similar to Queen Nzinga and others like her. These were leaders not children.
This is my only point. The slave trade was some devious shyt and it happened in many different ways. It had many different factors that lead up to it and caused the climate for it to happen.There definitely was selling, some kidnapping, connivence and resisting.
All these were true.
Trying to make it a unique thing or deny that one of those happened altogether is not the wave.
But what these guys are doing on these last few pages is dishonest.
I KNOW. I'm talking about limiting to West Africans and not Africans in general. Since he brought up Africans in general.
Explain how I am "simplifying." I already admitted that there were resistance to it with people like Queen Nzinga and many others. Once again these Kings/Queen were not little kids. The only thing we can do is for this to never happen again in history.
The demand was created by Africans turning their backs on the goods that their own people made and coveting the goods of Europeans. The Europeans clearly had ulterior motives, which some African leaders like the Oba of Benin and the leaders of the Mossi figured out.
Since I'm not a hypocrite
I def don't think Michael B Jordan should play Mansa Musa
I def don't think Michael B Jordan should play Mansa Musa
