682 years after his death, they tryna cancel Mansa Musa

[Bawon Samedi]

I think these black feminists want everything black to be about women and worshipping black women

Didn’t someone say part of the reason slave trade came to Ghana was cause the matriarchy let the white Man in and was putting down black men?

Ancient Egypt fell the same way due to that thot of a "queen" Cleopatra. Christian Sudan fell the exact same way to the Arabs. And the irony is the Arabs didn't even conquer or lay a finger on the Christian Nubians which is the crazy part. In fact the Nubians gave them the beats twice in two wars and badly. I can't even hate on the Arabs... What they simply did was marry the women(since the women were deemed important in Nubian society) and thus took over and Arabized the region. This is why modern day Northern Sudanese have strong Middle Eastern J haplogroups MORE SO than the pale looking Northwest Africans(Algerians, Moroccans, etc) and why their mtdna side is mostly female African.

This is gonna offend the women but matriarchy societies have fallen throughout history. Either by brute force or women in charge simply thinking with their feelings and thus being manipulated.

 

[RehReh]

Yaa Asantewaa was a matriarch that fought against the British?

I don’t like how the the black man and woman are constantly pitted against each other
Makes us look weak to people watching and the whole world is profiting from our disharmony

 

[Bawon Samedi]

If only Songai had access to guns, they would've been able to repel the Moroccans, and the history of Africa would've been different.

If Songhay had modern weaponry West Africa and Africa as a whole would be in a different position today and more unified. The slave trade would've never happened although coastal West Africa would've never developed. Kanem Empire did get guns and cannons but by then it was too late.

The irony is the Songhay empire was giving the Moroccans the beats BADLY prior to the invasions. And in fact it was European mercenaries who did most of the work against Songhay because the local Moroccan military wasn't good enough.

 

[African Peasant]

If Songhay had modern weaponry West Africa and Africa as a whole would be in a different position today and more unified. The slave trade would've never happened although coastal West Africa would've never developed. Kanem Empire did get guns and cannons but by then it was too late.

The irony is the Songhay empire was giving the Moroccans the beats BADLY prior to the invasions. And in fact it was European mercenaries who did most of the work against Songhay because the local Moroccan military wasn't good enough.

Yep. Morocco had the advantage of being a coastal country so they had access to guns thru trades with Europe and purposely refused to sell guns to Songhay, even before the beef. They used to sell Songhay everything but guns. Songhay was one battle away from breaking Morocco and have access to the Sea... and the guns.

 

[MalickSyXShabbaz]

The prophet Muhammad said ‘Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler’

 

[Shabazz]

Hopefully a person from mali of the same ethnic group plays musa as well as other important malian figures in the movie. A black person from somewhere else wouldn’t be able to have much of a connection with the cultural identity or get the accent right making the performance unrealistic and hollow.

 

[Samori Toure]

Mansa a Muslim c00n

gave his wealth to Arabs then his empire fell apart immediately after. Those same Arab “muslim brothers” conquered Mali soon after he was dead

Misinformation. You are confusing Mali with Ghana and Songhay.

Mali was never conquered by anybody. Mali's decline came about because Songhay arose. Songhay in turn cutoff Mali's access to the Northern trade routes. Mali's trade routes shifted further South which is what the Mane Invasion was about and that is the reason Mandingos are in places like Sierra Leone, Liberia and Ivory Coast. Mali's biggest problem was ongoing Civil War among the Mande and that eventually caused a split in the people and it opened them up to warfare with the people in the regions that they invaded. That warfare led to large numbers of the Mande becoming prisoners of war and shipped to the Americas as slaves.

 

[norfwestdc]

The Mali empire remained in existence about 300 years after Musa's death.

The empire fell coincidentally just a few years before the transatlantic slave trade started.

That night dumb ass shyt

 

[African Peasant]

Thank God, this thread went from feminist babble to posters dropping gems on history. I learned quite a few things.

 

[LurkMoar]

Misinformation. You are confusing Mali with Ghana and Songhay.

Mali was never conquered by anybody. Mali's decline came about because Songhay arose. Songhay in turn cutoff Mali's access to the Northern trade routes. Mali's trade routes shifted further South which is what the Mane Invasion was about and that is the reason Mandingos are in places like Sierra Leone, Liberia and Ivory Coast. Mali's biggest problem was ongoing Civil War among the Mande and that eventually caused a split in the people and it opened them up to warfare with the people in the regions that they invaded. That warfare led to large numbers of the Mande becoming prisoners of war and shipped to the Americas as slaves.

Damn lemme shut my ignorant ass up then.


So the Mali at that point we’re not strong enough to fight off the Songhay to reopen the trade routes?

 

[Premeditated]

Random post: I was named after Mensah Kanbou Musa. Im not sure if my parents actually actually knew of him before I was born but we all come from the same ethnic group.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

If mansa musa gets a movie. I dont want the biggest black actors in the world, who happen to be mostly ADOS, to play him

I want relatively unknown "better trained" british actors to portray him

 

[GreenGhxst]

It's funny how black women are used to bring the house down

It's pretty ironic actually, they don't say shyt about immoral white men in history that have movies made about them, but any sign of black patriarchy and they wanna act a fool. They didnt give a fukk when Christopher Colombus got a TV show

Them white bytches got these feminist black women wrapped around their fingers. How you cancel somebody 600 years after his death, it was a different time

bytch

 

[ATownD19]

Misinformation. You are confusing Mali with Ghana and Songhay.

Mali was never conquered by anybody. Mali's decline came about because Songhay arose. Songhay in turn cutoff Mali's access to the Northern trade routes. Mali's trade routes shifted further South which is what the Mane Invasion was about and that is the reason Mandingos are in places like Sierra Leone, Liberia and Ivory Coast. Mali's biggest problem was ongoing Civil War among the Mande and that eventually caused a split in the people and it opened them up to warfare with the people in the regions that they invaded. That warfare led to large numbers of the Mande becoming prisoners of war and shipped to the Americas as slaves.

Where do people get so much misinformation. Mansa musa a c00n?? WTF

 

[Samori Toure]

Damn lemme shut my ignorant ass up then.


So the Mali at that point we’re not strong enough to fight off the Songhay to reopen the trade routes?

It was more complicated then that. It starts with basically understanding who the Mande people were. Mande actually means Manden people. Manden means Mali. Mali is either an Arab or a Fulani word for Manden.

Ghana, Mali and Songhay are all Manden empires. They all basically split due to internal strife and fighting internally among the Mande. Songhay was a vassal State that had to pay tribute to the Mansa of Mali. As time passed by Songhay sought independence from Mali. Mali's Mansas basically ignored the situation, but eventually Songhay gained strength and it's eventual independence when many influential Mandingos sided with the Songhay people after many Mandingos had a falling out with the Mansas. That is how Songhay got its start. It is more complicated than that, but it is important to note that many of Songhay's earliest rulers were Mandingos, which is why historians always point out that the Mande people empires in the Sahel were Ghana, Mali and Songhay. They always mention all 3 together, because they were all basically successor empires even though Ghana existed during the time of Mali and Mali existed during the time of Songhay. All of the Kingdoms were interconnected and the elites and leaders of all of those Kingdoms were Mande people.

To answer your question: no Mali was not strong enough to fight off Songhay, because many of Mali's elite citizens were now the leaders in Songhay and their armies were able to drive the Mansas armies out of the northern part of the empire. So the Mansas and the other Mandingos that remained in Mali had to shift their focus to attacking lands to their south and to their west, which we now know as the Mane Invasion. The kicker is that that the Europeans had arrived on the west African coast at around the same time as the Mali/Songhay split and the Europeans actually recorded the invasion of the Mane/Mande/Mandingo/Manneh. It is very complicated and also very interesting.