4/16 PBC on SHO PPV: Errol Spence vs Yordenis Ugas (WBC, WBA, IBF Welterweight Titles unification)

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Ugas said he wants a war. I think he plans to stand his ground and go shot for shot. Spence is coming off a bad eye injury and been inactive for 15 months. The ring rust is gonna be there so it's not the worst idea to make him work early. Target that eye and see how he responds.

The Danny fight is the first fight I seen Spence fade down the stretch. He was getting hit way too clean in the later rounds. His stamina gotta be on point for this one. If Spence can dominate ugas and stop him I'll have to reassess my Spence-Bud prediction.


I think that is Ugas’ best bet. Try to really tire Spence out and drown him later. It doesn’t seem like Ugas has enough one shot power to hurt Spence (at least early), but I did like how Ugas handled the swarming Porter (although Porter primarily tried to box instead of his normal smother you style) and I thought he won that fight. I mean, he pretty clearly did but politics as usual. Spence was definitely tired af in the Swift fight. I think it was round 9 where he put a lot of leather on DG, but after that Danny did okay for himself. Spence admitted he was tired and said that he wasn’t 100% from the accident, but says he is now and so on. I guess we’ll see.

I gotta say, Spence is my fave current fighter but I think the Crawford/Spence matchup will really come down to if Spence can take Bud’s best shot, and stay upright. He really does not move his head off the line even in training on the mitts or anything. Crawford is definitely going to hit him hard and clean at some point. It’ll be a chin challenge kind of thing, but if he takes it, I think he’ll wear Crawford down. Spence is really like a machine when he’s right.

Another note, I’ve still never seen Spence hit the speed bag. It seems like a lot of the conventional boxing training methods (e.g., speed bag, wood cutting, double end bag, etc.) aren’t really utilized much anymore by the top fighters. It makes me kinda sad for some reason. :wow:
 

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I think that is Ugas’ best bet. Try to really tire Spence out and drown him later. It doesn’t seem like Ugas has enough one shot power to hurt Spence (at least early), but I did like how Ugas handled the swarming Porter (although Porter primarily tried to box instead of his normal smother you style) and I thought he won that fight. I mean, he pretty clearly did but politics as usual. Spence was definitely tired af in the Swift fight. I think it was round 9 where he put a lot of leather on DG, but after that Danny did okay for himself. Spence admitted he was tired and said that he wasn’t 100% from the accident, but says he is now and so on. I guess we’ll see.

I gotta say, Spence is my fave current fighter but I think the Crawford/Spence matchup will really come down to if Spence can take Bud’s best shot, and stay upright. He really does not move his head off the line even in training on the mitts or anything. Crawford is definitely going to hit him hard and clean at some point. It’ll be a chin challenge kind of thing, but if he takes it, I think he’ll wear Crawford down. Spence is really like a machine when he’s right.

Another note, I’ve still never seen Spence hit the speed bag. It seems like a lot of the conventional boxing training methods (e.g., speed bag, wood cutting, double end bag, etc.) aren’t really utilized much anymore by the top fighters. It makes me kinda sad for some reason. :wow:
I still have bud vs Spence around 60-40 in buds favor. Just think he’s too sharp and too accurate. Quicker hands and feet too. I just feel like Spence is gonna get caught at some point. But on the flip side bud doesn’t have the tightest defense either. So it wouldn’t surprise me to see him get hurt too. I’m actually hoping Spence looks dominant against Ugas because the sport of boxing really needs that Crawford fight. It’s gonna be sad if we never get it.
 

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I'ma be honest, I used to laugh when I heard folks say Spence is ducking Ugas and I still laugh. Y'all need to watch them fight, Ugas is about as tailor made for Spence as Danny Garcia was, maybe even more so. Neither of them move their feet so Spence isn'teven gonna have to cut off the ring on them, neither are very active,. Ugas doesn't even have punching power like that to add like Danny Garcia does, although Ugas does go for the body more than Danny does. Unless Spence really has physically diminished Spence is gonna dominate this fukking dude. It's another fight that if it wasn't a belt on the line and since Ugas has a legit win over the last WBA champ(and like 3 of the next top 4 tanked fighters in the WBA rankings) so he is the legit champ, I'd be saying this is a waste of fukking time.
 

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I think that is Ugas’ best bet. Try to really tire Spence out and drown him later. It doesn’t seem like Ugas has enough one shot power to hurt Spence (at least early), but I did like how Ugas handled the swarming Porter (although Porter primarily tried to box instead of his normal smother you style) and I thought he won that fight. I mean, he pretty clearly did but politics as usual. Spence was definitely tired af in the Swift fight. I think it was round 9 where he put a lot of leather on DG, but after that Danny did okay for himself. Spence admitted he was tired and said that he wasn’t 100% from the accident, but says he is now and so on. I guess we’ll see.

I gotta say, Spence is my fave current fighter but I think the Crawford/Spence matchup will really come down to if Spence can take Bud’s best shot, and stay upright. He really does not move his head off the line even in training on the mitts or anything. Crawford is definitely going to hit him hard and clean at some point. It’ll be a chin challenge kind of thing, but if he takes it, I think he’ll wear Crawford down. Spence is really like a machine when he’s right.

Another note, I’ve still never seen Spence hit the speed bag. It seems like a lot of the conventional boxing training methods (e.g., speed bag, wood cutting, double end bag, etc.) aren’t really utilized much anymore by the top fighters. It makes me kinda sad for some reason. :wow:

I have said and maintained for a while that is literally Crawford's only chance at victory. If Crawford can't hurt Spence or get his respect with his power at least, he is gonna get punished bro. I don't think Spence would fight Crawford like he fought Mikey either, he gonna go for blood in that one.
 

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Zachary Ochoa, a kid who I know personally (we're not friends either), is fighting Brandun Lee on the undercard that's airing on regular SHO leading into the PPV card.

Seems like he's just gonna be food for Lee to get his profile up, but anything can happen.......right?? :sadbron:
 

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:sadcam:
Zachary Ochoa, a kid who I know personally (we're not friends either), is fighting Brandun Lee on the undercard that's airing on regular SHO leading into the PPV card.

Seems like he's just gonna be food for Lee to get his profile up, but anything can happen.......right?? :sadbron:
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Spence sounds like he’s finally gotten used to the fake teeth cause he’s not slurring anymore. Prolly realized it himself after watching his own interviews. But he looks a lot healthier too. Like he regained a lot of lost muscle mass and his face doesn’t look as sunken in. Maybe we’ll actually see him back at 100%:lupe:
 

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I'ma be honest, I used to laugh when I heard folks say Spence is ducking Ugas and I still laugh. Y'all need to watch them fight, Ugas is about as tailor made for Spence as Danny Garcia was, maybe even more so. Neither of them move their feet so Spence isn'teven gonna have to cut off the ring on them, neither are very active,. Ugas doesn't even have punching power like that to add like Danny Garcia does, although Ugas does go for the body more than Danny does. Unless Spence really has physically diminished Spence is gonna dominate this fukking dude. It's another fight that if it wasn't a belt on the line and since Ugas has a legit win over the last WBA champ(and like 3 of the next top 4 tanked fighters in the WBA rankings) so he is the legit champ, I'd be saying this is a waste of fukking time.
Ugas beat Crawford once upon a time. He'll have a plan..we'll see what happens. Spence gets better during the fight.
 

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Spence admitted he was tired and said that he wasn’t 100% from the accident, but says he is now and so on. I guess we’ll see.

Another note, I’ve still never seen Spence hit the speed bag. It seems like a lot of the conventional boxing training methods (e.g., speed bag, wood cutting, double end bag, etc.) aren’t really utilized much anymore by the top fighters. It makes me kinda sad for some reason. :wow:

Well summarised. I agree with all you said.

Agree re Spence fading v D Garcia. But tbh it's pretty understandable, that volume training that is his bread and butter would have had him a little less fresh than if he hadn't had such a long layoff due to the accident. He had a huge, long camp (ran 5 miles every night for 8 weeks to get weight down, boxing/strength in the day/week.) To have a layoff and then tax the body like that can leave you a little zapped, even if you looking perfectly conditioned.

You'd think he's had enough training sessions now post accident to be back to the legit 12 round Spence we know prior to the fight, for the most part at least.

Spence has a good back foot early as they both adjust to the range etc. But definitely goes into machine mode from round 3 onwards, been like that his whole career, even in the amateurs. It's his best attribute.

There's no other fighter in the game currently that matches Spence's hard punch output/volume. It's fascinating. He works at a particular pace/punch intensity, never goes under it, never goes over it. In a sports science sense it's perfectly placed between Zones 3 to 4. He has elite hear rate elevation control aka he never panics. He suffocates fighters through continual, hard paced onslaught. He's the benchmark for this imo.

You're right, no speed bag, no floor to ceiling ever. Aside from actual boxing, just skipping, 8-16 pound vests, hand weights and some band work etc (as far as main boxing session goes, strength sessions would be entirely different.)

Nah there's a lot of fighters still working the floor to ceiling (Canelo, Garcia, Kovalev did a lot, Lomachenko, Crawford etc).

Ennis is big into sledgehammer and wood chopping. Exceptional exercises for kinetic chain cohesion/development, and strength and speed when done properly.
 
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I think that is Ugas’ best bet. Try to really tire Spence out and drown him later. It doesn’t seem like Ugas has enough one shot power to hurt Spence (at least early), but I did like how Ugas handled the swarming Porter (although Porter primarily tried to box instead of his normal smother you style) and I thought he won that fight. I mean, he pretty clearly did but politics as usual. Spence was definitely tired af in the Swift fight. I think it was round 9 where he put a lot of leather on DG, but after that Danny did okay for himself. Spence admitted he was tired and said that he wasn’t 100% from the accident, but says he is now and so on. I guess we’ll see.

I gotta say, Spence is my fave current fighter but I think the Crawford/Spence matchup will really come down to if Spence can take Bud’s best shot, and stay upright. He really does not move his head off the line even in training on the mitts or anything. Crawford is definitely going to hit him hard and clean at some point. It’ll be a chin challenge kind of thing, but if he takes it, I think he’ll wear Crawford down. Spence is really like a machine when he’s right.

Another note, I’ve still never seen Spence hit the speed bag. It seems like a lot of the conventional boxing training methods (e.g., speed bag, wood cutting, double end bag, etc.) aren’t really utilized much anymore by the top fighters. It makes me kinda sad for some reason. :wow:
Also can Crawford take Spence best shot
 
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