2chainz "ghetto dreams" is top 5 hip hop song in 2012!

[zerozero]

Because people buy it. That's it. You might not like it, I might not like it, but enough people like it for him to make a career out of it.

Bingo. There's a cultural problem here right? Just as once you had regular people like Memphis Bleek being forced into rapping like gangsters you have regular dudes from the south being forced to rap someone else's mindset..

I also see parallels to older pre-50s generations of black entertainers being forced to dumb down their ideas and speech...

I'll ask you this, what would be different if he dropped out of college, was a bad student in college, or dropped out of high school?

His expression would be in line with what's actually in his mind..

I also think there is very selective calling out of rappers on these kinda "aligning your life with your rap" things .. or maybe it's in the current era nothing matters whereas in the past it could

 

[tremonthustler1]

Man, that whole anti-intellectual shyt is the reason why liars are a part of this culture. When you make an environment that teaches people that it isn't cool being your damn self, stuff like 2 Chainz and Plies happens.

Liars have been a part of this culture since Rapper's Delight.

No we should act right for ourselves. Our educated celebrities should promote education and enlightenment, not guns hoes and drugs.

I don't hate 2chainz or any other rapper. I just think allot of them can do more with the voice they have in our community. And those that purposely dumb down and act as ignorant as possible are damaging to our community. In this case we have a highly educated guy doing this which makes it that much worse because he knows better, and he knows what it takes to find success.

I remember 50 Cent got asked by Sway "why don't you talk about your son or talk about your mom, personal stuff like that" and 50 said "fans aren't interested in hearing about that part of my life." The sad truth is that for the most part, he's right, because you can't go into your life without either being considered soft or corny. The mythical tough guy always reigns supreme with a bunch of hip-hop fans who don't want their rappers to be human sometimes.

 

[Barney Pimpson]

Nas dropped out of 9th grade
eminem flunked 9th grade 3x before he quit
50 was expelled for gun possesion when he was 14
BIG & Jayz dropped out of the same highschool
2Pac dropped out and hooked up with digital underground
kanye dropped out of college
and many many many more GOAT rappers


Why do all these college kids want to be rappers so bad?
its ridiculous

 

[tremonthustler1]

But we never get to the real debate: "why is it necessary to hide the normal everyday shyt in a rappers past and exaggerate only the negative" is it possible in 2012 to be a successful rapper without falling back on all the typical rapper cliches drugs, money and hoes...

Not if you wanna be successful. The closest person to being successful without being too cliched is J. Cole and the ones who don't like him think he's a lame. I'm sure J. Cole would love to talk about all the fukkery that went down at St. John's, but would you? Not really, and that's the shame of it all. We don't wanna hear your story if it's not a negative one because hip-hop has become a genre that only strives off misery.

 

[Danycacks]

Fuuuuuck 2chainz>Me
4.0>3.4
Truuuuu!

 

[Wildin]

its all about personal integrity. if 2 chains doesnt feel he needs to rap about being intelligent or educated or whatever to make his ends meet then thats that.

Its like denzel, (2chains aint the denzel of rap but for example purposes) Denzel is a good actor, he can play many roles. People like John Q, Philadelphia, Remember the Titans, as much as Training Day and Safehouse etc.

If Denzel started and kept playing slave ass- c00n roles, tap dancing and being stupid and it made him more money in the box office, than thats him sacrificing his own personal integrity.

If you had Denzels acting abilities would you play c00ns and slaves as long as the box office dollars kept rolling in or would you want to play other roles, or more common man roles?

The thing about rap is either your the ladies man, or the tough guy gangster or a backpacker lupe-esque rapper, which apparantly is frowned upon......

 

[the cac mamba]

But then again Drake is accepted by hardcore hiphop fans QUOTE]

 

[charmander]

lol @ yall going 150 posts based on the wigger threadstarter making up a GPA and a backstory and running with it...

yall are playing right into this racist whiteboy's hands

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Barney Simpson is the same CAC that complained about Kendrick being a rapper because he as a straight A student on sohh ... u lost if u cosign this idiot. He is caught up in idolizing rapper so the truth that its only entertainment is something he can't grasp.

Ignore this clown... he seems to have something against black men being intelligent.

Its a business, sadly people want dumbed down content and these entertainers oblige them.

 

[-InFeRnO-]

this gives me a newfound respect for dude

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I remember 50 Cent got asked by Sway "why don't you talk about your son or talk about your mom, personal stuff like that" and 50 said "fans aren't interested in hearing about that part of my life." Thesad truth is that for the most part, he's right, because you can't go into your life without either being considered soft or corny. The mythical tough guy always reigns supreme with a bunch of hip-hop fans who don't want their rappers to be human sometimes.

Why not try to change this sad truth? Saying "it sales" is not a good enough reason to keep promoting negativity in our community.

Why do people look up to rappers? It's cause they have all the cars, jewelry, and girls. If rappers promoted getting an education and being a responsible adult as the key to getting all these cars, jewelry, and girls, then more young men would want to be that way.

And there are plenty of artists that are succesful and don't promote the ignorance that 2chainz does. Using your example 50 cent. Yeah he talked allot about killing and drugs, but at the same time he showed the kids positivity, and promoted intelligent moves. He also talked about why it is NOT cool to be a gang banger. He talked about fatherhood, he had his son in his first video. No one is saying you have to be a total nerd talking about "stay in school" in every rap. But being purposely ignorant and promoting stupidity is not what rappers should be doing, and it is damaging to young impressionable fans.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Barney Simpson is the same CAC that complained about Kendrick being a rapper because he as a straight A student on sohh ... u lost if u cosign this idiot. He is caught up in idolizing rapper so the truth that its only entertainment is something he can't grasp.

Ignore this clown... he seems to have something against black men being intelligent.

Its a business, sadly people want dumbed down content and these entertainers oblige them.

I think y'all are coming in hear arguing against the op and not the premise of the thread. I wasn't on the old site so I know nothing about his history, but the fact stands that too many people promote and condone ignorance in the black community. And all you dudes runnin in hear talking about "it's only entertainment and it sales" are part of the problem, not the solution.

 

[Barney Pimpson]

Why not try to change this sad truth? Saying "it sales" is not a good enough reason to keep promoting negativity in our community.

Why do people look up to rappers? It's cause they have all the cars, jewelry, and girls. If rappers promoted getting an education and being a responsible adult as the key to getting all these cars, jewelry, and girls, then more young men would want to be that way.

And there are plenty of artists that are succesful and don't promote the ignorance that 2chainz does. Using your example 50 cent. Yeah he talked allot about killing and drugs, but at the same time he showed the kids positivity, and promoted intelligent moves. He also talked about why it is NOT cool to be a gang banger. He talked about fatherhood, he had his son in his first video. No one is saying you have to be a total nerd talking about "stay in school" in every rap. But being purposely ignorant and promoting stupidity is not what rappers should be doing, and it is damaging to young impressionable fans.

What it all comes down to IMO, is that hip hop isnt treated as a CULTURE. Downloading the new 2chainz album is the same thing as going to see the new Batman movie to these folks.

 

[Akademiks]

Some of u dumb nyggas should have realized that these rappers aint as dumb as u think .. if u constantly think they say "witty" lines . . . and somehow find a way to be way richer than u r and to have u talking about them and them not caring about u ... yea

2-Chainz one of the shrewdest business men out of the south thats in the rap game while he was independent. Bow down and pay homage

 

[Long Live The Kane]

I don't quite understand this thread.. I understand the OP's point perfectly ... he has created an ignorant persona in hip hop with terrible rapping skills to boot ... and it's not in line with his actual self

it's not in line with other rappers embellishments to me.. why is "being stupid" an acceptable gimmick?

Y'all seem to have these dis attached generic ass ideals about rappers, as if they aren't real life people or something...and when they don't fit into these one dimensional convenient rapper caricatures that you have for them, they're "being fake" or putting on an act...so far removed from them as actual people with real lives and life experiences, start making all these grandoise overblown as conclusions based on nothing but wild baseless assumptions about them personally and surface level stereotypes about their "ignorant personas"...

From our point of view, we see a dude that grew up in the hood...got a basketball scholarship from some minor school...didn't pan out...came back home, started doing the minor drug dealer/aspiring rapper thing, ended up becoming friends with a local radio personality who ended up blowing as a platinum rapper and has been living the life as a rapper trying to make it in the industry for well over a decade now...immersed in the ATL rap scene, which is a real life place...a real sub culture and where he comes from...he raps about being fly, fukking broads, partying, smoking, drinking, going to strip clubs...cause that's really something that exists...none of that automatically says "this guy must is an idiot, dumb ass of zero intelligence"...none of that necessarily means "he made a song about enjoying the strip club...he must be a bumbling idiot" or whatever the fukk conclusions y'all draw from the music...it's just hard to discuss this type of shyt with y'all because of this simple ass distant and cartoonish way y'all relate to rappers