2022 Midterm Elections: NO RED WAVE! - GOP Takes U.S. House; Dems Keep U.S. Senate

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Mostly, yeah. It was harmless and you'd think that exploring new ways to gain traction as well as developing near leadership would be a priority but fukk all that.

The same people not doing shyt now are the ones acting like those folks were tearing the party apart :dead: I really thought the "blame progressives for everything" shyt was over with by now.
I'm not blaming progressives for anything. Bills pass in the house just fine.

Progressives don't have any sway in the senate.

And a progressive can't garner enough support to win most statewide elections let alone become POTUS. Their problems are merely that they aren't as popular or good as politicians as the policies they seemingly want to champion. :manny:
 

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Me: The Senate is an ineffective institution due to its rules that have been put into place to slow or even halt legislation that has been delivered through the house or passed through committee. The senate allows far too many bills to never receive a vote and instead spend more time attempting to play gate keeper and protect folks from actually having to stake out a position via their vote.

Y'all: why do you think progressives are the problem. Why can't you criticize dems.

Me: ::looks who is currently in control of the::senate.:what:
 

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No. I placed my blame squarely where it lies for the lack of bills being passed and that is in the Senate.

They should have bushed the filibuster. They should take more majority votes to bring bills to the floor if the majority leader refuses to schedule them for a vote. They should remove the majority leader when he/she is incapable of getting popular legislation up for a vote.

As voters we should vote for representatives that will vote for the policies that we personally care for.

And I expect party leadership to do their part.

The problem here is y'all seemingly either don't know why legislation is stagnant or you do know and are arguing in bath faith because you'd rather wax poetic about other things.
The bolded is ridiculous. And it only works on a select few people because many don't care and the rest aren't working with short memories or accept the "there's simply nothing we can do" narrative. Senators have been ejected off committees for less, faster, but more than anything its gone on long enough that its obvious that folks on both sides of the isle are happy with several people talking all the heat.
I'm not blaming progressives for anything. Bills pass in the house just fine.

Progressives don't have any sway in the senate.

And a progressive can't garner enough support to win most statewide elections let alone become POTUS. Their problems are merely that they aren't as popular or good as politicians as the policies they seemingly want to champion. :manny:
Again, you can't conveniently place members in a bubble which absolves the entire chain - which dems control - of its inability wherever/whenever you pick and choose. They are not line workers in factory. They are members of congress. And these are not new, never before seen issues either...

I mean you can sure but expecting that to be some largely accepted belief in spite of polling, growing issues, patterns described above, etc is some other shyt.
Me: The Senate is an ineffective institution due to its rules that have been put into place to slow or even halt legislation that has been delivered through the house or passed through committee. The senate allows far too many bills to never receive a vote and instead spend more time attempting to play gate keeper and protect folks from actually having to stake out a position via their vote.

Y'all: why do you think progressives are the problem. Why can't you criticize dems.

Me: ::looks who is currently in control of the::senate.:what:
Why even bring them up in the first place?

Like they're a part of a different group or something lol
 

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Again, you can't conveniently place members in a bubble which absolves the entire chain - which dems control - of its inability wherever/whenever you pick and choose. They are not line workers in factory. They are members of congress. And these are not new, never before seen issues either...

I mean you can sure but expecting that to be some largely accepted belief in spite of polling, growing issues, patterns described above, etc is some other shyt.
What are you trying to say. I just criticized the Dems for not taking up bills that have passed and addressing them in good faith.
The bolded is ridiculous. And it only works on a select few people because many don't care and the rest aren't working with short memories or accept the "there's simply nothing we can do" narrative. Senators have been ejected off committees for less, faster, but more than anything its gone on long enough that its obvious that folks on both sides of the isle are happy with several people talking all the heat.

Yes the filibuster allows folks to avoid actually having to take a vote and pretend to be helpless, which is why I've always supported getting rid of it. It stifles democracy. The Dems are in power and should get rid of it. Why are you against it?

You previously mentioned that our representatives should work to fix the problems in the system, but when I offer up some easy ways to start tackling it you hand wave it off.

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Why even bring them up in the first place?

Like they're a part of a different group or something lol
It was brought up to show the inconsistencies in masterminds position regarding protest votes.:ahh:
 

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What are you trying to say. I just criticized the Dems for not taking up bills that have passed and addressing them in good faith.


Yes the filibuster allows folks to avoid actually having to take a vote and pretend to be helpless, which is why I've always supported getting rid of it. It stifles democracy. The Dems are in power and should get rid of it. Why are you against it?

You previously mentioned that our representatives should work to fix the problems in the system, but when I offer up some easy ways to start tackling it you hand wave it off.

:jbhmm:




It was brought up to show the inconsistencies in masterminds position regarding protest votes.:ahh:
Protest what? They're a part of the same party. And at the time, what were they actively gating off? How long? I should've included a "but but but the progressives" at the beginning too if I'd known that was still a gimmick with mileage in 2022.

Almost all of the negative feedback they got originated internally at a time when they had no actual ability to do anything - which is exactly when you are supposed to posture about to develop and refine national strategy. They're just as much to blame right now as everyone else too. No one said they weren't, So you bringing them up out of nowhere to say gotcha at yourself is really showing the ceiling of what you want to discuss.

The filibuster back and forth is not new either. And its been used or pointed at as everything from a distraction to some nuclear option since like 2005. Again, you gotta be new to be convinced its the only resolution and that its slightly just out of reach.

Republicans cried about the filibuster for years just to get the majority and keep it as is :dead: and any time something that comes around really needs to happen, they'll go right around it with a not-so-rare exception anyways. Its been carved out on dozens of occasions.
 

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So when Bernie and the squad do Performative votes that you champion they're just wasting time? :skip:
What performative Bernie and the squad votes have I championed? I don't believe The Squad have had the chance to even get a bill written by them voted on by all of congress. You stay windmilling.

What I do remember is a lot of establishment thinkers and establishment dems calling Bernie advancing bills performative and that no one on capitol hill liking him, but now you seem cool with the House doing it and beggins us to give them credit for passing bills they know won't be written into law. :skip:
 

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What performative Bernie and the squad votes have I championed? I don't believe The Squad have had the chance to even get a bill written by them voted on by all of congress. You stay windmilling.

What I do remember is a lot of establishment thinkers and establishment dems calling Bernie advancing bills performative and that no one on capitol hill liking him, but now you seem cool with the House doing it and beggins us to give them credit for passing bills they know won't be written into law.
You've previously supported this position which I think is fair:
I don't see the value of shytting on elected officials when they say the right thing and vote the right way. I'm not saying you have to praise it, but why the hell bother trying to please an electorate that will just impugn your intentions even when you do the thing they wanted you to do? Save the breath to trash her when she inevitably does something that's actually worth criticizing.
So now I'm trying to understand why you think house members aren't meeting the standards of job, by fulfilling their duties by crafting and supporting the legislation they ran on?

Do we no longer believe in speaking truth to power? Making principled votes?

Or are you now suggesting it's all for show and Worthless if legislation isn't passed and we should therefore look to vote out people who support policies we support merely because someone in the senate blocked it?
 

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You've previously supported this position which I think is fair:

So now I'm trying to understand why you think house members aren't meeting the standards of job, by fulfilling their duties by crafting and supporting the legislation they ran on?

Do we no longer believe in speaking truth to power? Making principled votes?

Or are you now suggesting it's all for show and Worthless if legislation isn't passed and we should therefore look to vote out people who support policies we support merely because someone in the senate blocked it?
@Pressure putting pressure on these nikkas now :whew:
 

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‘We’re Democrats, not socialists’: Adams vs. AOC in proxy war over Albany​

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Mayor Eric Adams is throwing his support behind Democrats facing challenges from candidates backed by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Paul Martinka
Mayor Eric Adams is putting his political muscle behind veteran state Assembly incumbents being challenged by socialist insurgents egged on by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the upcoming June 28 Democratic primary.

Adams on Tuesday endorsed the re-election of Harlem Assemblywoman Inez dikkens, one of the first black lawmakers to call for changes to the bail law sought by the mayor in Albany.

Ocasio-Cortez is backing housing activist Delsenia Glover in the 70th Assembly District against incumbent dikkens.

Adams also is appearing Tuesday alongside veteran Bronx Assemblyman Michael Benedetto at a Juneteenth event in Co-Op City. He endorsed Benedetto last week.

AOC is backing her former staffer, Jonathan Soto, in the 82nd Assembly District in the northeast Bronx that overlaps with her congressional district.

Political sources said Adams and AOC are engaged in a proxy war over who controls the state Legislature and New York City government — mainstream Democrats or socialists.

“Mayor Adams is laser-focused on public safety and he’s supporting like-minded mainstream Democrats who support his agenda. He’s making it clear where he stands,” said consultant Jonathan Reinish, a former staffer to US Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand.

Adams endorsed Harlem Assemblywoman Inez dikkens in her primary against housing activist Delsenia Glover. Adams endorsed Harlem Assemblywoman Inez dikkens in her primary against housing activist Delsenia Glover.Twitter / @ericadamsfornyc
Adams showed up Tuesday morning at dikkens’ Harlem campaign headquarters, where she also received the blessing of a cadre of Baptist ministers.

“I am proud to endorse my friend, Inez dikkens for re-election. I have a great deal of respect for Inez,” Adams said in a release put out by the dikkens campaign.

“Her consistency over the years is unwavering in her representation of Harlem and the people of our entire state. To do all that is needed for our city right now will take a seasoned leader in Albany, and that is Inez dikkens.”

dikkens said, “I am so blessed to have my ministers and the great mayor, Eric Adams, support my run for re-election. We must work together, united in our convictions to get the resources our community needs and deserves. I am committed to delivering on my promises to create a stronger and more unified Harlem.”

The assemblywoman later told The Post that the upcoming primaries are indeed a political war pitting Adams and Democrats against AOC and the socialists.

“Mayor Adams said from the very beginning that he’s not a socialist. He’s a Democrat,” dikkens said.

dikkens has spoken out against AOC and socialists in New York. dikkens has spoken out against AOC and socialists in New York.Photo by Brandon Bell/Getty Images
“We are Democrats! We are not socialists!,” dikkens said emphatically. “AOC and the socialists are trying to take over New York.”

The AOC-backed challenge to dikkens, 72, is not an idle threat. Democratic socialist Kristin Richardson last year was elected to the City Council representing Harlem.

Benedetto said he was thrilled that Adams was joining him at the Juneteenth event in his district celebrating the emancipation of slaves. It is being held in the auditorium of Co-Op City, the complex of 35 high-rise apartments largely populated by working-class and middle-income black tenants, a key constituency in the upcoming primary.

New York City Mayor Eric Adams arrives at the In America: An Anthology of Fashion themed Met Gala at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City, New York, U.S., May 2, 2022. Adams donned a jacket saying “End gun violence” to the 2022 Met Gala.REUTERS
NEW YORK, NEW YORK - MAY 02: Mayor of New York City Eric Adams and Tracey Collins attend The 2022 Met Gala Celebrating In America: An Anthology of Fashion at The Metropolitan Museum of Art on May 2, 2022 in New York City Sources said Adams and AOC are engaged in a proxy war.Gotham/Getty Images
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez attends The 2021 Met Gala Celebrating In America: A Lexicon Of Fashion at Metropolitan Museum of Art on September 13, 2021 in New York City. Ocasio-Cortez’s 2022 Met Gala dress said “Tax the rich.”Getty Images For The Met Museum/
“AOC is with my opponent. They support the same things like defunding the police,” Benedetto said.

“Mayor Adams is making a statement that he wants level-headed Democrats to move New York City ahead. I share the same values as Mayor Adams. We want good education and safe streets,” added Benedetto.

Benedetto, a retired teacher who chairs the Assembly Education Committee, worked closely with Adams to renew a state law for two years that gives the mayor the authority to oversee the city’s public school system.

Bronx Assemblyman Michael Benedetto said his primary opponent Jonathan Soto and AOC both support defunding the police. Bronx Assemblyman Michael Benedetto said his primary opponent Jonathan Soto and AOC both support defunding the police.HANS PENNINK
Adams has made his distaste for the socialist left well known.

During a campaign fundraiser last summer, Adams told supporters he was in a fight against the Democratic Socialists of America. Ocasio-Cortez is considered the young superstar leader of the DSA.

“I’m no longer running against candidates. I’m running against a movement. All across the country, the DSA socialists are mobilizing to stop Eric Adams,” he said then.

“They realize that if I’m successful, we’re going to start the process of regaining control of our cities.”

Benedetto opponent Jonathan Soto, the former AOC staffer, dismissed Adams’ support of the incumbent.

“Our campaign is focused on the policies rather than the personalities of this race. I’d like to see Mr. Benedetto explain to voters why he is supporting the Mayor’s vision to defund our public schools by $250 million dollars,” Soto said.

“I’m proud to be endorsed by both Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Public Advocate Jumaane Williams, two leaders who will fight for our children’s future and against defunding our public schools.”

Who wrote this article? I'm just curious that they use the word socialist like it's nothing
 

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@Pressure putting pressure on these nikkas now :whew:
I just don't get it. For a year and a half we've all witnessed the house operate in good faith and put forward and wide array of legislation that can be seen as activist to down right negotiating against itself to get centrist like Manchin and Sinema on board.

Now I'm being told that I'm supposed to be unhappy with their performance because it didn't end up as a law.

Mind you, this is on the heels of months of rhetoric from these guys saying the house progressive caucus should have tanked BIF because no bill is better than a compromise.

Mind you, none of this is surprising to me because as my progressive brothers have pointed out time and time again -- I maintain a cynical view of the American voter.:manny:
 

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The difference: We had a GOP President with bad approval ratings.

Biden at 39% approval is a death blow man
You're saying we didn't have a chance with a GOP president with poor ratings and we also don't have a chance with a Dem president with high or low ratings.

Let's remember, when this thread was created Biden was polling in the mid to upper 50s. :comeon:
 

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Wouldn't surprise me if it remains 50/50 or Dems pick up a seat or two. Not trying to ignore Republicans gaining seats, but has to do with the people these Trumpanzees are picking:

  • The top of the ticket for Repubs in PA is absolutely brutal with Oz and Mastrano (both not popular at all with State GOP leaders)
  • The same could happen in Arizona with their Governor & Senate candidates if the poll leaders are actually nominated. They tried getting their current Governor to run but he declined and would have been battered by Trump and his minions
  • Herschel Walker can't open his mouth without saying some batshyt crazy thing that isn't in the slightest true.
  • They had a chance with NH but their Governor declined to run.
I think everything else remains status quo for the most part.
Yeah I’m thinking the same.

The Senate is really the ballgame. Keep it and Biden can keep confirming judges and executive branch positions for another 2 years. And maybe even a SCOTUS seat opens up.
 
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