2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[Berniewood Hogan]

4cac Nazis are posing as "Bernie Bros" on Twitter to help drive the narrative that Bernard's Brotherhood are bad. Liberals are falling for it, of course.

 

[Warren Moon]

This post is so dumb.

Atrocious

If it’s atrocious why didn’t the article state an awe member didn’t know there benefits could possibly be cut?

That’d be a more impactful story. The union is legally required to tell the “members” of the Union how their benefits pay. It’s a workaround.

Like say im you mechanic, and I have a legal obligation your brakes are broken, when and if your warranty ends by your car manufacturer. I tell you of this months ahead of time of said warranty ending. Your warranty ends. Your sister drives the car, brakes are faulty. She crashes and then says “omg no one told me the brakes were out”.

I issue a statement saying I had that this is atrocious, the car manufacturer is a horrible company. But I never explicitly state I didn’t forewarn you the actual owner of the car that your warranty would probably end and I’d cover the costs for it if you crashed the car. We both know I told you as my legal obligation to do so, but it’d also help both of us out if we just have your sister say she didn’t know what was going to happen.

It’s a legal and journalistic workaround to garner sympathy (rightfully so). Standard procedures fellas. I dumbed it down so y’all could understand

 

[No1]

The poster asked why she hasn't dropped her own healthcare plan and I gave him the reason, which is the same as her climate proposal. Whether or not you feel she's as strong as an advocate as Sanders is irrelevant to that point.

She's already the had the option to do Medicare for America, a Biden plan, or a Harris plan, but she's decided to stick with and defend M4A. If the point you're attempting to convey is that she's still open to things similar to the aforementioned plans, then okay and so is Sanders. Dude voted for the Crime Bill and is bullish on the filibuster, people pretending he's an ideologue and not a politician will always be amusing to me. Feigning the maximalist position doesn't mean you won't be bargained down. I guess it's time to start bursting some bubbles.

You are all aware that a 2021 M4A bill probably isn't getting out of the House clean and definitely wouldn't get out of the Senate clean.

When jackasses like Joe Lieberman fought against the ACA there were no true alternatives other than weakening it given the amount of political capital already expended. Most Dem Senators won't support M4A with other "viable" options on the table and most of the states we need to gain the majority aren't going to be sending us people to the left of Klobuchar. The party leadership clearly opposes it so they won't be twisting any arms to get votes for a proper bill (not that Schumer can control his caucus anyway). So whether it's Obamacare Plus, M4Murica, or FUBAR M4A a Sanders administration would sign it into law. They will have other things on their plate (recession. climate crisis, etc.) and several months before the electorate does something really stupid.

Bernie isn’t feigning a maximalist position. He has always negotiated. The argument is where you start that negotiation. Also missing in your analysis is that any politician would have to do this but Warren’s plans are passed off as gospel and how she will do things. That’s not the case. The boldness of the Sanders and Warren campaigns is in where they want to start the debate, not where it will end.

 

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[storyteller]

Bernie isn’t feigning a maximalist position. He has always negotiated. The argument is where you start that negotiation. Also missing in your analysis is that any politician would have to do this but Warren’s plans are passed off as gospel and how she will do things. That’s not the case. The boldness of the Sanders and Warren campaigns is in where they want to start the debate, not where it will end.

There's a valid critique here and it's strategy based. I actually think the Natalie Shure interview Nap posted in some odd attack on Michael Brooks is a great job of explaining where concerns from the left about Warren's healthcare rhetoric are coming from...though I'm only halfway through.

 

[afterlife2009]

@intra vires I don't think it's irrelevant to the point if you said that she signed on to Sanders' bill but doesn't mention it on her website and doesn't mention anything about eliminating the things that make it medicare for all. She was on Colbert two days ago and couldn't answer whether middle class taxes go up(they will). 0:45 mark in the spoiler. Colbert gave her a great defense of M4A tbh



Yes you're right about the ratfukking that's going to happen whether Sanders or Warren get into office but healthcare is by far my number one issue so I would like to see her clarify and become a stronger defender of it. I'm already scarred from the Obama years

And regarding the filibuster, Sanders has said he wants to reform it and that would require that the filibuster to be used would have to require whoever using it would have to speak for its duration. Now all people have to do is say they're filibustering. Plus the President has no control over ending the filibuster. He’s already indicated many times that he doesn’t want to see congress get bogged down in a fight over the filibuster not when he can whip the votes he needs. Warren is better on this issue though

 

[dtownreppin214]

Bernie's voice is still fukked up.

 

[Jhoon]

Warren would lose to Trump.

Kamala and Yang will win?

Polls don’t matter.

 

[Mook]

You're an idiot if you want the filibuster gone. The good guys are always the little guys you idiots. You're taking away one of our best defenses

 

[ThirdAct]

Kamala and Yang will win?

Polls don’t matter.

Fact. Every 2016 poll had Hillary winning by a landslide.