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Jesus I can’t believe ppl liked that tweet and dapped your post:mindblown:


Unions negotiate in their contracts that employers must stop paying for health insurance. Just so they CANT hold it over the workers heads. The union starts to make the payments themselves.


We understand strikes are difficult and disruptive to families," GM said in an email to The Hill. "While on strike, some benefits shift to being funded by the union's strike fund, and in this case hourly employees are eligible for union-paid COBRA so their health care benefits can continue."


no one lost health insurance. :aicmon:.
Is the cobra adequate enough while they’re on strike?
 

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Is the cobra adequate enough while they’re on strike?

It’s actually more. Temp workers “officially” work for staffing firms. Traditionally Staffing firms don’t offer any insurance.

That’s actually one of things their protesting for. A quicker way for ppl to from temp to full time roles that have benefits and higher pay. Temp workers make 65-75% of what a full time employee does for the same exact job.

Full time employees truly have the back for the temp workers during this strike. They’re paying them a percentage of their wages via the union fund and offering the temp workers insurance.


Gm hires a lot of temp workers, bc if they need to fire quickly it won’t look as bad in the media. If they fire all their temp workers “technically” no jobs were lost bc none of their gm employees were fired.

With the rise of temp workers in a lot of industries the unions are pushing for more of their rights and a guaranteed path to a full time employment. They’re starting at the top with the splashiest name they can GM.

It’s going to be interesting on how this plays out, the Union is attempting to flip the way the staffing industry works on its head.

GM employees are standing with their temp coworkers. That’s truly admirable, putting their jobs on the line for them.
 

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Copy, you're referring to a different type of tuned in than I am. Also you're partially having a different discussion than me. I don't care about whether it's left leaning, moderate out even right leaning. The black vote needs to be more assertive and less based on who the presumed favorite is.
Yeah, but when I say tuned in, I’m talking about how it’s used in polling. It’s why the typical FoxNews viewer shows up as more “informed.” It just means they know something is happening from watching the news. Black voters are the most left-leaning demographic in America - yet that part of the black electorate doesn’t really show up. It’s older voters and in general, older voters support favorites and go with name recognition. So if you want that to change then you have to activate the youth and leftist part of the black electorate. Every article saying Biden doesn’t deserve the black vote has largely been pushed by people 40 and under.
 

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Exactly for some reason progressives think that their 2 friends who refused to vote for hilary in their “very blue” states are the “untapped” voters we need to win.

That’s soooo far from the truth.
Or maybe they could be talking about those black voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin but you guys can carry on @Pressure. Being more left than Obama means nothing. Obama was more left than Clinton was in 1992. Obama ran when the left wasn’t really antagonistic because they had been blamed for Bush and people just wanted Republicans out of there. (Which you acknowledge.)Hillary ran when there was a Democratic President and Democrats had the house and senate during his early years. I have no idea where you guys were during those years but I was actually living in Michigan. But I’m not about to relitigate 2016 again. It just comes across as HRC supporters wanting to justify their primary vote. Left in 1992 and left in 2016 were 2 different things. Every single democratic candidate running right now besides Biden is running at least where HRC was in 2016 and they’re being called moderate. Steve Bullock of all people is running on a 15 dollar minimum wage. Political labels mean nothing in America and you know that.
 
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I imagine most of HL are college educated or high information voters.

What I don't see is HL having affluent white women.

We do have a bunch of pretentious white men though.
This actually isn’t true. We had polls on this back in the day. Most of HL was still in college. And those people don’t really post anymore. I have no idea what the background of the current HL is.
 

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Or maybe they could be talking about those black voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin but you guys can carry on @Pressure. Being more left than Obama means nothing. Obama was more left than Clinton was in 1992. Obama ran when the left wasn’t really antagonistic because they had been blamed for Bush and people just wanted Republicans out of there. (Which you acknowledge.)Hillary ran when there was a Democratic President and Democrats had the house and senate during his early years. I have no idea where you guys were during those years but I was actually living in Michigan. But I’m not about to relitigate 2016 again. It just comes across as HRC supporters wanting to justify their primary vote. Left in 1992 and left in 2016 were 2 different things. Every single democratic candidate running right now besides Biden is running at least where HRC was in 2016 and they’re being called moderate. Steve Bullock of all people is running on a 15 dollar minimum wage. Political labels mean nothing in America and you know that.
You just labeled everyone in this post. Support a candidate whose tallying cry is railing against the establishment and say political labels don't matter?

Blue dogs, tea party,libertarians, dem socialist, the squad, the establishment, justice dems, Trumpists, Clintonistas, corporatists, the consulting class... Nevermind.
 

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Yeah, but when I say tuned in, I’m talking about how it’s used in polling. It’s why the typical FoxNews viewer shows up as more “informed.” It just means they know something is happening from watching the news. Black voters are the most left-leaning demographic in America - yet that part of the black electorate doesn’t really show up. It’s older voters and in general, older voters support favorites and go with name recognition. So if you want that to change then you have to activate the youth and leftist part of the black electorate. Every article saying Biden doesn’t deserve the black vote has largely been pushed by people 40 and under.

The worst part about that is it reminds me of when the study came out that showed Fox News viewers were less informed than people who don't even watch news. CNN and MSNBC viewers performed a bit better but not by much if I'm remembering correctly. That had to be five years ago, but in retrospect it was a pretty good warning that someone like Trump could win off broad generalizations, promises that he obviously wouldn't be able to keep and playing on stereotypes that no data supported.
 

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Clinton's campaign was further left than Obama in 2016.

It's not debatable.

I have a post in another thread here that goes over Obama's campaign in 2008.

He was always pretty moderate. Bushism was just that bad.

Further much of the current leftist platform is built around what dems have done historically.
Obama HAD to be a centrist.

Yall keep forgetting the "black president" thing.

I'm sure even David Axelrod kept trying to control him.
 

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Jesus I can’t believe ppl liked that tweet and dapped your post:mindblown:


Unions negotiate in their contracts that employers must stop paying for health insurance. Just so they CANT hold it over the workers heads. The union starts to make the payments themselves.


We understand strikes are difficult and disruptive to families," GM said in an email to The Hill. "While on strike, some benefits shift to being funded by the union's strike fund, and in this case hourly employees are eligible for union-paid COBRA so their health care benefits can continue."


no one lost health insurance. :aicmon:.
You're high or doing your best Washington Post fact checker impression:



GM offers 2% raises in UAW contract; ends health care

Rumors had swirled late Monday that striking UAW members were no longer covered by company health care, the cost of which is a major issue in contract talks. To ease the concerns, Terry Dittes, vice president for the UAW's GM Department, sent out a letter saying GM would continue health care benefits through the end of the month for all UAW-represented employees "as provided for in the contract."

But Dittes later told members he received a letter from GM on Tuesday "confirming that our striking members' health care coverage has been cut off by General Motors.
During this period, the UAW will provide medical assistance or a COBRA option, if necessary, for you and eligible family members. If you have any questions, please direct them to the auditor assigned to your location by the secretary-treasurer's office. Additionally, this answer provided by GM, today, will be reviewed by UAW Legal to see if any further action is required."

The UAW said online that "the UAW Strike and Defense Fund covers certain benefits such as medical and prescription drugs. Benefits not covered include: dental, vision, hearing and sick and accident. These benefits are either paid directly by the (strike) Fund according to the company’s current plan or by having the Strike and Defense Fund make COBRA payments to the company plan."

The union had $721 million in its strike fund in 2018 and temporarily increased dues in March this year to boost it to $850 million. That fund also will pay striking workers $250 a week.
Sources: GM offers 2% raises in UAW contract; ends health care

GM health care shift during UAW strike poured gasoline on fire
Within 36 hours of the United Automobile Workers strike against General Motors, the Detroit automaker announced a decision to shift worker health care payments to the union immediately – a strategy that risks dragging out the strike, labor negotiators say.

The UAW said its lawyers are reviewing the move, which forces the union to more quickly tap its strike fund, which exceeds $750 million. Worker coverage would be picked up by COBRA, but the logistics are frightening to families of the 46,000 hourly workers during this time of uncertainty.

"This was done as a scare tactic," said a UAW source close to the negotiations. "It was unnecessary."

Legal experts nationally question the wisdom of the decision.

"This would really lay down the gauntlet," said William B. Gould IV, emeritus professor of law at Stanford University and former chairman of the National Labor Relations Board. "It certainly shows GM is playing hardball in a big way. I think it's a calculated decision to pressure the union. But it's like throwing a red flag before the bull."

Sources close to the negotiations say union officials have no problem absorbing the cost of health benefit payments in addition to paying $250 a week in strike pay, but making the payments retroactive to Sunday's strike start came across as intentionally jarring – in a manner designed to startle GM workers.

Expert: GM health care shift during UAW strike poured gasoline on fire


NLRB: Cancelling health benefits while employees engaged in brief strike was unlawful
By Ronald Miller, J.D.

An employer acted unlawfully when it ceased providing employees accrued health benefits when they went out on a strike, ruled a divided three-member panel of the NLRB. Cancellation of the benefits was unlawful because, under the applicable collective bargaining agreement, the employees’ eligibility for benefits previously had accrued and was not dependent upon their continued performance of work for the employer. Moreover, the employer failed to establish a legitimate and substantial business justification for discontinuing the striking employees’ benefits. Acting Chairman Miscimarra dissented (Hawaiian Telecom, Inc., February 23, 2017).
WK WorkDay Blog | Employment Law Daily

'We had no warning:' Wife of GM employee on strike wakes up from surgery without insurance
Thousands of workers are still on strike as the United Auto Workers Union and General Motors still have not reached a deal. To make matters worse, the UAW announced GM is cutting health insurance for those striking.

The news is devastating for families, as they now have to worry about how they're going to pay for everything from medication to major surgery. Union leaders telling FOX 17 News members went in for cancer treatments and to pick up prescriptions on Monday and that's how they found out they were uninsured.

Laura Prater heard the news when she woke up from a $40,000 stomach operation.

"All of a sudden I am risking getting this major hospital bill we honestly couldn't afford,” says Prater, whose husband Clayton is an electrician at the GM plant in Spring Hill.

Up until yesterday, the Prater family of five were carried on a Blue Cross Blue Shield plan through General Motors, but not anymore.

"It makes me feel terrible,” says Prater. “Before I started working for GM, I was Army. I'm a veteran so things like integrity, honesty those things mean something to me.”

Clayton is one of 3,500 GM workers taking to the streets from the Spring Hill plant, one of nearly 50,000 nationwide amid contract negotiations. He says cutting off health care coverage to his family during the strike is a low blow.

"I expect my insurance to be dropped and I will deal with that through the union, but my wife's a pawn and that doesn't sit right with me,” says Prater.

Despite the strike, the Prater family thought they'd be covered until October 1st. Turns out, their insurance got cut off hours before Laura's surgery.

“We had no warning and in fact, I even verified last week before the surgery is this still a go?” says Laura.
'We had no warning:' Wife of GM employee on strike wakes up from surgery without insurance


this Socialism shyt is easy folks :sas1:
GM just hitting y'all with that compassionate capitalism amirite :pachaha:
 

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Are you Bar None?
Bar and I had a site together and we closed it down. Had interviewed people like Ziggily and others. This board closed registration and he had them unban him so I could post under this name because I followed the news here and wanted access to some of his bookmarks. We both post under it but it’s me more often than him and he doesn’t really want to be connected to theColi anymore. That prior post was him though.
 
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Bar and I had a site together and we closed it down. Had interviewed people like Ziggily and others. The board closes registration and he had them unban him so I could post under this name. We both post under it but it’s me more often than him and he doesn’t really want to be connected to theColi anymore. That prior post was him though.
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