It’s not about “out” with this. Dude is having problems speaking. This upcoming debate could be a disaster for him.
2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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We will have to agree to disagree. Trump will point to his tariff on China as proof that he been fighting for them. And I think it will work against someone like Biden
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
how has the DNC acted a fool and do you think the general electorate, people who don't even know what candidates are running on, pay attention to the DNC?
and i'm tired of hearing about all these voters bernie is supposed to attract when the numbers right now show him doing worse than 2016. put up facts, not possbilities.
and the next two weeks will give us an answer on who the midwest prefers, Biden killed MN and will have that behind him in the general thanks to Klob, he's got the gov of MI on his side + black voters like him which will help in both elections, PA is his backyard + not supporting an outright ban on Fracking makes him a strong candidate here, OH is a red state at this rate, IL votes blue no matter what, WI is the only true unknown
storyteller
Superstar
He’s pointed out the treatment of his surrogates for a while now. He definitely brought it up prior to Nevada during the culinary union fight.
R. Money
RMCMB
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
there are plenty of times politicians point to doing something to "work for the people" but if it doesn't work, or in fact hurts them, well you don't get points for that.
That debate not going to go the way yall think.
You must have me confused with someone else.
None of that matters because Biden can just claim successes under the Obama admin to counter it. And Biden's gaffes wont mean anything cause Trump makes no sense half the time he speaks. It wont be as big of a deal as the internet makes it out.
So we are just going to ignore Biden’s early onset of dementia?
Plus his spotty record on some issues which will allow Trump to run to the left of him on criminal justice reform, Bankruptcy, NAFTA, Social Security, Medicare etc?
I do believe he is competent enough to be President even though I can agree that he has declined since 2016. But when it comes time to sit in the cabinet meeting or situation room, his knowledge will still be there and his staff will make sure he has important notes to remember.I honestly don’t know how you can believe that but I respect your opinion and honestly do hope you’re right.
I’d honestly rather he wins the nom and then bows out and gives it to someone else. I just don’t feel comfortable with the way he’s seemed to perform lately. Because if he really is sundowning then the country is essentially just gonna be ran by whatever corporate interests he appoints to his cabinet. Drain the swamp part 2 in 4 years
Pull Up the Roots
Veteran
Trump would lie about Bernie. The GOP would lie about Bernie. They would take the most benign thing about Bernie and twist it. The media with its need to push a horse race/both-side narrative will legitimize the lies. And people will eat them up because, again, we are extremely susceptible to right-wing smears. It's willful ignorance to believe that the conversation in a Bernie v Trump election would be about health-care. He would face the same kind of bullshyt.
Kenny West
Veteran
They know in the general when the propaganda goes full blast.
They knew about the DNC and Hilary's emails didnt they?
FACT: Sanders has done better in Super Tuesday 2020 than 2016. He is less than 100 delegates from being the front runner even after a field of 5 additional opponents to start the primary election.
Fact: Bernie sanders won 14/16 swing districts
Bernie polls better than Biden in all those states for the general.
Facts, we want facts!
Sanders did bring new voters in
In 2016. They were the mythical sanders --> trump voter and aren't coming back according to the people who study these things.
That's the problem with Biden, clinton etc.. when you give dumbass white people the choice of shyt policies that don't address material concerns or shyt policies that dont address material concerns plus racism they're going for the second every time
In 2016. They were the mythical sanders --> trump voter and aren't coming back according to the people who study these things.
That's the problem with Biden, clinton etc.. when you give dumbass white people the choice of shyt policies that don't address material concerns or shyt policies that dont address material concerns plus racism they're going for the second every time
Uno Venova
Your honor, I was merely capping.
nikkas are caping for a dude too scared to do interviews? How far y’all fallen
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
lol @ polls and lol @ polls for a general that he can't seem to get to.
when i see demographic results like this, i'm not convinced bernie is going to carry/excite all the segments he needs to in a general https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/exit-polls-2020-super-tuesday-primary/
and when i see maps like this, well i'm not convinced bernie is holding counties against biden, including losing Texas, Mass and Maine to Biden
i'm not convinced he's driving youth turnout - something he was counting on
turnout is generally up but breaking for biden
where are the current data points that prove bernie is a better general candidate? (and please know, i think they're both risky, but i'm not seeing how/where bernie is proving he'll be stronger)