2016 Warriors attempted a league leadin 31.6 3s a game..... That would rank dead last this season in 3 point attempts

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But if LaMelo and Miller are the best shooters on the Hornets, why wouldn't Spo get them to shoot high volume 3s?

But they don't have the personnel to really be a great transition team (certainly not without Bridges).

Running more in transition isn't going to get them more easy scoring opportunites at the rim, in a vacuum, especially with all the injuries they've had lately. And getting them to run in transition more isn't going to lower LaMelo's and Miller's respective 3-pt attempts either. In fact, because they're generating more possessions by speeding up the game, that might even take more.

The truth of the matter is, until the Hornets get a legit big man who dominates in the paint and/or a wing who can do the same, they're not going to notably improve in that area of the game. They're going to be limited because of their personnel, and the best way to combat that limitation is stretching out defenses to make it easier to get to the rim, and the best way to do that is to shoot 3s.

Before the Heat had Herro and Duncan Robinson (2018-19), Dion Waiters was their leading 3 point shooter with 6.6 attempts per game yet they still won 39 games. Spo and Pop maximize their roster’s strengths, they don’t try to just roll the dice by hoisting as many threes as possible. The Hornets need to be like the Heat and find players (late round picks, undrafted, G League) who can help them maximize LaMelo’s transition game.
 

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2010: 18.6 3PA, 35.5% shooting
2025: 37.5 3PA, 35.9% shooting

Seems like it's working to me :yeshrug:

That's that lowlight bias I keep bringing up - y'all letting mediocre-to-bad teams speak for the entire style today when it's just bad teams playing bad basketball as has been the case every season in league history.

Are those the averages for all teams? The point is teams without the personnel shouldn’t be shooting high volume threes. The analytics revolution has been a finesse by white dudes to get front office and coaching jobs that were previously held by former NBA players. They know most owners have a business background and rely heavily numbers in their other businesses to make decisions so they were able to leverage that into convincing them to give them jobs.
 

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Are those the averages for all teams? The point is teams without the personnel shouldn’t be shooting high volume threes. The analytics revolution has been a finesse by white dudes to get front office and coaching jobs that were previously held by former NBA players. They know most owners have a business background and rely heavily numbers in their other businesses to make decisions so they were able to leverage that into convincing them to give them jobs.
Yes, it's the league average of all teams - when all teams are taking double the amount of 3s they were 15 years ago but shooting it at the same rate, that means it's working. Teams without the personnel shouldn't be doing a lot of things that they do, but that's why they're bad teams. Bad teams have always existed, but now people act like they're representative of the whole league.
 

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Yes, it's the league average of all teams - when all teams are taking double the amount of 3s they were 15 years ago but shooting it at the same rate, that means it's working. Teams without the personnel shouldn't be doing a lot of things that they do, but that's why they're bad teams. Bad teams have always existed, but now people act like they're representative of the whole league.

But that’s the point. The games would be more entertaining if teams who don’t have the personnel to shoot all those 3s found other ways to score. Styles make fights.
 

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Herro is a better shooter than LaMelo and Brandon Miller. And given that the Hornets are young and LaMelo excels in transition, they could gameplan more around his strengths in that regard.
Again you're just prescribing the problems of a shytty team and acting like that applies to the whole league. You think a good team is looking at the way they're performing and thinking "Gosh, we should take less 3's actually" ? No.
 

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But that’s the point. The games would be more entertaining if teams who don’t have the personnel to shoot all those 3s found other ways to score. Styles make fights.
But you could say that about every era of basketball. The NBA is a copycat league, and there are always going to be teams that just aren't good at offense because they don't have the personnel. In the 90s everybody was trying to play like the Bulls or Rockets but only a few teams were successful at it.

You gotta remember...in any given season *at least* half the league is below .500 and there are only about 8 or so truly great teams period. Every era of basketball is going to have it's "problems" but you have to determine what's truly a league-wide concern (ie flopping) and what's just the cream rising to the top and the mold sinking to the bottom.
 

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I think a lot of the perception around the 3-pt shot today is because cats have been conditioned to watch the game in a certain way, where something that is almost in complete contrast to the past makes it seem bad/wrong.

In a sort of sense, you almost have to look at the game as if you've never watched it before - does this make sense for x-player to take this shot? Is he open? Is this going to help space the floor? Is this going to make sure his defender doesn't cheat off him? Is it in the flow of the offense? Can he shoot?

Of course, it stands to reason that some folks aren't going to find this entertaining, but I mean, you don't win games by being entertaining.

I wish we had a time machine so we could put today's teams up against teams of the past, and then y'all would quickly find out why teams shoot 3s now.

I dont agree with this. Players in the 90s and 00s can shoot the ball as well. They had a different game with how defense can be played, and less emphasis on taking 3s (it was reserved for the actual sharpshooters). Players today just chuck up 3s with no regard because its 'normal' today. Half the shots taken now would get you pulled from the game.

Also, a hill I will stay on- that sidestep/backstep shyt to take off balanced 3's is a travel. fukk all that noise.

In short- todays players are allowed to get away with alot more.
 

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I dont agree with this. Players in the 90s and 00s can shoot the ball as well. They had a different game with how defense can be played, and less emphasis on taking 3s (it was reserved for the actual sharpshooters). Players today just chuck up 3s with no regard because its 'normal' today. Half the shots taken now would get you pulled from the game.

Also, a hill I will stay on- that sidestep/backstep shyt to take off balanced 3's is a travel. fukk all that noise.

In short- todays players are allowed to get away with alot more.
But they're making them at the same rate as they were then despite taking twice as much.

And if the sidestep 3 is a travel, every off-the-dribble dunk in NBA history is a travel.
 

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It's winning basketball.

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It aint watchable basketball. Something has to give. The difference in the IQ between Steph and them vs the bullshyt I’m seeing today is immense. Now we gotta slowly wait for things to revert just like we did with the NFL when they got pass happy.
 

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But that’s the point. The games would be more entertaining if teams who don’t have the personnel to shoot all those 3s found other ways to score. Styles make fights.
Its a competition first. Sure its entertainment as well but teams arent gonna sacrifice competing to entertain. And if they did fans would just shyt on them anyway. Beyond that, they don't have a choice. With the rules as they are now, you have to shoot and make 3s in order to do anything else.
 

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Stats gonna stat.


People would rather drop 55% efficient field goal percentage with limited risk of injury and minimum effort than 55% eFG% by tryna hit 55% of your 2s by going in like SGA. But even he as increased his 3s this year.

And last week I saw curry dropping 30, all on threes and FTs :wow:

The only thing I find boring with this is that, while teams still have different styles, the spread is getting tighter. And the differences sometimes require you to put on your analyst hat
 
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Again you're just prescribing the problems of a shytty team and acting like that applies to the whole league. You think a good team is looking at the way they're performing and thinking "Gosh, we should take less 3's actually" ? No.

The conversation is about all teams taking high volume threes, including bad teams. Nobody said the 2017 Warriors shouldn’t have taken a lot of threes.
 
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